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12-26-2006, 05:16 PM
Please someone... explain this article to me...
:confused:Troubled Childhood Risks Homosexuality (http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/21347.html):confused:
My childhood was normal, I think... Does this mean that my parents screwed up? I thought they were doing just fine... And if all of these facts are true, does that make homosexual's victims? Who finds and abused kid and then kicks them some more? Ugh! I am sooo confuzzled... Please explain.:confused:
12-26-2006, 05:51 PM
Don't believe everything you read, without doing some kind of a reality check first, especially if it is something that upsets you. First off, the name of this rag is "The Conservative Voice". (TCV) They undoubtedly have some kind of ax to grind, very likely a biased point of view, a partisan agenda. Next, if you look at the disclaimer at the bottom, it says that the opinions expressed here are solely those of the author, and that TCV takes NO responsibility for their truth or accuracy.
Now until recently, there was a thread in here somewhere complaining vociferously about how James Dobson was mis-using and mis-quoting works written by two university professors to try to make a point similar to the one that is getting you upset. He was LYING to us. I can't find it anymore, you might ask one of the moderators what happened to it. I think it was a petition, and was taken down.
Next, if you had a decent childhood, which I am guessing that you did, you have nothing to feel bad about on that front.
There is nothing wrong with being gay, showing that is the main point of this website. Another goal is to help one another to learn to be happy, successful Christians, who happen to be gay.
One obvious agenda of the Religious Right is that they have to prove, to the world if they can, but certainly to themselves, that being gay is either some kind of defect, or that it is a deliberate choice. If it is a deliberate choice, then they think that they are free to discriminate against you, call you immoral, and pass laws against you. Or so thay would like to think. Actually, being a member of ANY religious group is also a choice, and that is protected by civil rights laws.
If you were born female, or African American, or with six fingers on each hand, NO ONE can legaly discriminate against you, even if they would like to. Whatever sexual orientation we are born with, it's ours, we are not to blame for it, and most of us believe that it is a gift from God.
12-26-2006, 05:59 PM
Being gay is EXACTLY like being left handed. It happens to about 10% of us, no one has yet to find a cause, genetic or otherwise, there's nothing wrong with it, and you can go on to be a happy, healthy person. And, oh, yeah. Being left handed was not too long ago referred to as being Gauche, or being Sinister. These were literally synonyms for left handedness.
Peace and Love, Bruce Chris
12-26-2006, 07:22 PM
BC, we rarely take down threads: http://www.soulforce.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1752
and btw, I looked over that "list" not one of them explains why I'm gay!
12-26-2006, 08:32 PM
Lets's take number 9 on that list, shall we?
9. Persons born in large cities were significantly more likely to marry a same-sex partner -- suggesting that cultural factors might also affect the development of sexual orientation.
The writer is confusing fact (those who live in cities are more like marry) with absolute conjecture (what makes people gay).
It is more accurate to say that more gay people marry because they migrate to cities where they find greater acceptance and can thereby meet each other which leads to marriage. The author is insinuating that sinful cities make people gay- and gee- if they only lived in the righteous suburbs- they would be straight.
This writer is twisting facts to suit his own ends. The fact that he quotes Narth should give the read pause: it has been shown here (on several other threads) that Narth has no reputable standing.
One has to be very careful about what one puts in one's mouth or head. As they say- you are what you eat.
And oh....I'm lefthanded. Does that make me more gay?
12-26-2006, 09:10 PM
A Scientist had a trained frog who could leap 2 feet when he commaded "jump!" so he cut off one leg then commanded "jump!" and the frog only leaped 1 foot. He cut off the other leg and yelled loudly "JUMP! JUMP!" and the frog just sat there.:'(
His conclusion: If you cut off a frogs legs he goes deaf!:lol:
The logic of the TCV is no less flawed!:agree:
Austin, Your judgement will lead you and others your age to sanity. By the time you are as old as I am you will be the leader of many who need your example to follow. Follow your truth that you feel from within. :inspector:
TCV are people who see their world changing. Many of them feel inadequate and have compensated for it by dehumanizing gay people for gratification. They see this as an entitlement that is being taken from them. :hissy: :hissy: :hissy: But remember! No one is entitled to violate your right to a normal balanced life with love passion and joy. :good:
The TCV are relics of the pernicious practice of universal homophobia. If something you read doesn't appear sound remember the frog experiment. This may help to appropriately trivialize the validity of false science.:whistleblower:
Love and affirmation,
12-26-2006, 10:19 PM
Austin, as a young gay man, you will sooner or later be exposed to language and attitudes far more upsetting and judgemental than TCV. It would probably be helpful to you to innoculate yourself against this sort of fear, ignorance, and, yes, hate now and then, by encountering it just a little at a time. Unfortunately, it will come to you in big chunks now and then. And read our website and forums, there are some wonderful people here.
I am assuming that when you say Orange County, you mean Florida. OC California is way more progressive.
Learn everything you can about yourself, and the world you live in. And of course, don't believe everything you read. Some right wingers continue to claim that all of us do very disgusting things that I have never seen anybody do. Others claim that all of us have hundreds of sexual partners a year. No, I've never done that, I don't know anyone who would be even remotely capable of it, and in the age of AIDS it would be insane to even try.
Get back to us soon, and tell us how you are feeling.
P.S. Didja hear the one about the (Ethnic slur, here) who read that 99% of all accidents happen within 5 miles of home? He Moved!
Peace and Love, Bruce Chris
12-27-2006, 12:15 AM
well... not literally, but I was laughing so hard I almost did. :lol: :lol: :lol: I hate to say it, but I think you guys are kinda like a buffer to the whole thing, and maybe, getting these little doses of the virus will make me immune by time I'm all grown up. Thanks for that. And the humor is good too.:)
12-27-2006, 10:33 AM
Keep in mind also that these people are very, very ignorant of history.
Although they did not use the categories "homosexual" and "heterosexual" as we do, both the ancient Greeks and the Romans (the Greeks more intensively) were dramatically and openly drawn to homoeroticism. In fact, it was virtually a norm in classical Athens, and was celebrated in poetry, philosophy and art alike. These men did not come from divorced families or have a lack of male role models in their lives. In fact they were among the leading citizens of Athens. Now, they did live in cities .... :)
Honestly, same-sex attraction and activity is as old as the hills and intrinsic to human nature in virtually all civilizations everywhere on the planet. The historical record is unambiguous on that score. The tolerance of it, by sharp contrast, has varied substantially given the particular cultural prism of a given civilization, and unfortunately for us the civilization we are living in is one that is remarkably intolerant of same-sex affection and activity when compared with other historical civilizations (not only the aforementioned Greeks and Romans, but also medieval Japan, Imperial China and others).
Folks like the people who wrote that article want people to think that same-sex attraction and activity has never been sanctioned by society anywhere on earth because it is "unnatural". The historical record substantially falsifies this claim. The problem is that many/most people are not aware of this history (including GLBT people as well) and that creates an educational issue. But the fact is that this is a phenomenon that is as human as any other, and not one that has been universally rejected throughout history.
12-27-2006, 10:41 AM
And hey, I apologize if I made rude remarks about Florida. But in either place, you ought to be able to find a P-FLAG, or several. They're good people, discrete, and very supportive. They usually only meet once a month, though, but you can usually find someone to talk to, and in person, no less. You should find many gay people, and many friends, parents and such.
Check it out, and come back and tell us all about it.
Peace and Love, Bruce Chris
12-27-2006, 10:59 AM
Please someone... explain this article to me...:confused:
Ľ Thom says: ☛ Having looked at the article, I must ask them: Who did this research again? It says the study comes out of Denmark, but who did the research? What methods did they use? Really, I donít expect APA standards, here, but claims of this sort ought to be cited so that we might conduct peer review.
Without the reference to Nicolosi of NARTH, I already question the validity of the study because there are no citations. :p Funny, though, If I were to publish a rebuttal to this article, they would insist that I provide citation and quotation, and study methods, etc., ad infinitum.
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