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Rick336
02-23-2007, 12:56 PM
What do these men have in common?

Ted Haggard - Past head of the National Association of Evangelicals
Lonnie Latham - Past executive committe member of the Southern Baptist Convention
Jim West - Past Republican Mayor of Spokane Washington
Paul Barnes - Past minister of the 2,100 member Grace Chapel in Denver

In the past two years, all of these men have been outspoken opponents of homosexuality and gay rights. And all have later confessed to soliciting or having sex with men.

These four high profile homophobes have been exposed publicly for seeking sex with men. But, how could this happen when they were all so openly anti-gay?

Are homophobes really only suppressing their own homosexual desires?

From my own personal experience, my own homophobia as a young man was my defense against any suspicion about my own homosexuality. I lashed out at anybody preceived as gay. While in college I aggressively harrassed suspected gays with verbal assualts and threats of violence. I also made it clear to my peers that I was a proud opponent of homosexual rights. I openly denounced gay equality.

It wasn't until 1973 that I finally came to terms with my own homosexuality. I have been openly gay now for more than 30 years.

Still, up until the last few years I always thought that most homophobes were nothing more than a bunch of bigoted rednecks whose ignorance resulted in a revulsion for gays.

But then in 1996, the results of a study by the University of Georgia started to change my thinking about homophobia. The study, although inconclusive, shines a light on the reason why many men may be homophobic.

The following article describes this study:


New Study Links Homophobia with Homosexual Arousal

August 1996

WASHINGTON -- Psychoanalytic theory holds that homophobia -- the fear, anxiety, anger, discomfort and aversion that some ostensibly heterosexual people hold for gay individuals -- is the result of repressed homosexual urges that the person is either unaware of or denies. A study appearing in the August 1996 issue of the Journal of Abnormal Psychology, published by the American Psychological Association (APA), provides new empirical evidence that is consistent with that theory.

Researchers at the University of Georgia conducted an experiment involving 35 homophobic men and 29 nonhomophobic men as measured by the Index of Homophobia scale. All the participants selected for the study described themselves as exclusively heterosexual both in terms of sexual arousal and experience.

Each participant was exposed to sexually explicit erotic stimuli consisting of heterosexual, male homosexual and lesbian videotapes (but not necessarily in that order). Their degree of sexual arousal was measured by penile plethysmography, which precisely measures and records male tumescence.

Men in both groups were aroused by about the same degree by the video depicting heterosexual sexual behavior and by the video showing two women engaged in sexual behavior. The only significant difference in degree of arousal between the two groups occurred when they viewed the video depicting male homosexual sex: 'The homophobic men showed a significant increase in penile circumference to the male homosexual video, but the control [nonhomophobic] men did not.'

Broken down further, the measurements showed that while 66% of the nonhomophobic group showed no significant tumescence while watching the male homosexual video, only 20% of the homophobic men showed little or no evidence of arousal. Similarly, while 24% of the nonhomophobic men showed definite tumescence while watching the homosexual video, 54% of the homophobic men did.

When asked to give their own subjective assessment of the degree to which they were aroused by watching each of the three videos, men in both groups gave answers that tracked fairly closely with the results of the objective physiological measurement, with one exception: the homophobic men significantly underestimated their degree of arousal by the male homosexual video.

Do these findings mean, then, that homophobia in men is a reaction to repressed homosexual urges, as psychoanalysis theorizes? While their findings are consistent with that theory, the authors note that there is another, competing theoretical explanation: anxiety. According to this theory, viewing the male homosexual videotape may have caused negative emotions (such as anxiety) in the homophobic men, but not in the nonhomophobic men. As the authors note, 'anxiety has been shown to enhance arousal and erection,' and so it is also possible that 'a response to homosexual stimuli [in these men] is a function of the threat condition rather than sexual arousal per se. These competing notions can and should be evaluated by future research.'

Article: 'Is Homophobia Associated With Homosexual Arousal?' by Henry E. Adams, Ph.D., Lester W. Wright, Jr., Ph.D. and Bethany A. Lohr, University of Georgia, in Journal of Abnormal Psychology, Vol. 105, No. 3, pp 440-445.

(Full text available from the APA Public Affairs Office.)

tpdncr4christ
02-23-2007, 01:06 PM
Just like in my other thread, "Can a Homophobe be a Homo?"

I think he's gay, he just has so much built up hatred that he can't even begin to think he could be. It's sad really...

u-dog
02-23-2007, 02:05 PM
that has been bouncing around inside my head is: Why are homophobic men SO SURE that homosexual attractions can be overcome? Have they had some experience... perhaps in early adolscence which they "overcame" and they equate early experiences of "playing doctor" with the experience of being gay?

Daniel
02-24-2007, 08:00 PM
Are homophobes really only suppressing their own homosexual desires?

Rick- the cast of characters you've outlined certainly makes one wonder, doesn't it?

What I find most interesting about the study is the factoid which notes that homophobic men underestimated their own physical response. These are guys who just aren't in touch with what they are thinking and feeling. If they were, there wouldn't be anxiety, which, as the study notes, may be a cause for arousal.

To put it another way- re Dobson- in the words of Shakespeare: "The lady doth prostest too much, methinks."

BruceChris
02-24-2007, 09:55 PM
that has been bouncing around inside my head is: Why are homophobic men SO SURE that homosexual attractions can be overcome? Have they had some experience... perhaps in early adolescence which they "overcame" and they equate early experiences of "playing doctor" with the experience of being gay?

---------------------------------Exactly The Opposite. ------------------------------------

Well, let's see here, they are - desperately afraid that they might be/are in total denial of - the suspicion that they may be ATTRACTED TO MEN. (Or, God Forbid, BOYS!:eek: :eek: :eek:!) But given the common, and often deadly Freudian combination of Denial/Projection/Denial, they believe/desperately NEED to believe that if they can *Prove That It Is A Choice* by doing Absolutely ANYTHING that they can, anything that they HAVE TO, to cause Somebody Else to Choose to be STR8, then, they can prove to themselves that THEY can be saved.

And because they are desperately afraid, deep down inside, that THEY cannot change/choose, they may perpetrate almost ANY form of abuse on someone else, to prove to themselves that change is possible.

Sorry about all of the histrionics, but your question is one that I see as CENTRAL to most of the emotional energy behind the Ex-Gay movement, and it kinda brought out the Drama Queen in me. (But I do hope that you got the point..........

Like someone here said, BREATHE, Breathe, breathe. Peace and Love, Bruce Chris

andrewlittle
02-25-2007, 12:49 PM
How many times does culture need to make the same mistake?

Ask any fat man (I am one, so don't get defensive on me). What happens when you tighten your belt? The fat just oozes somewhere else.

The Puritans had prurient interests in all those things they thought foul - sex, the occult, alcohol (the level of alcoholism was extraordinary as it turns out), etc.

Whenever you try to corral human curiosity and nature behind extraordinary restrictions, it just oozes out in some other kind of prurient interest. And yes, more often than not, it is the very thing that they preach about the most.

Homophobia, as many have said before, is the manifestation that comes from denying a child's, or even one's own, very normal curiosity about other kids/people of the same gender by insisting that it is depraved. Homophobia is the mental or emotional disorder that needs cured.

They can keep tightening the belt, if they want, but that curiosity is just going to become more prurient and obscene in its secret expression. I can well imagine that many of these people are not GLBT at all. When the belt is tightened that may just be the kind of behavior that oozes out. Since they are then so disturbed by their own prurient side, and afraid they are GLBT, they end up measuring real GLBT people by their own depravity barometer.

The underlying quote might be:
"I know I am twisted in my prurient interests and go against my nature, and I am thoroughly ashamed of myself each and every time (and every time, and every time, and ...) I do this. You must be more depraved than I am because you don't think its wrong in the first place."

u-dog
02-25-2007, 04:07 PM
Homophobia is the mental or emotional disorder that needs cured.

Ok. finally someone who can't be offended, who is articulate enough to defend himself makes the grammar error that DRIVES ME CRAZY! People here in this part of the midwest say this all the time and it IS JUST PLAIN WRONG !!!!

It needs CURING or it NEEDS TO BE CURED. It doesn't F***ing "Needs cured" !!!

Got it Andy? huh? :mad:

whew! thanks. I feel a lot better now. I've been wanting to do that for, like, forever! :eek: "LIKE????" I can't believe I said that. sigh.

tpdncr4christ
02-25-2007, 04:15 PM
whew! thanks. I feel a lot better now. I've been wanting to do that for, like, forever! :eek: "LIKE????" I can't believe I said that. sigh.

...for, like, forever?

Come on! Surely someone who insults the misuse of grammar should know how to use it correctly! Who learned you how to spoke?

But Uncle Andy has a point, Grandpa Dave. (even though he is really Great Uncle Andy... we just don't tell him that.):love:

u-dog
02-25-2007, 04:20 PM
I wasn't complaining about the content of his remarks. But you can't tell him he's right or that he knows what he's talking about. Even if its true, which just between you and me, he often is, it goes to his head and then he can't get his hat on and then he goes outside and catches cold... and it just isn't good. I even think calling him "great" uncle Andy is probably a mistake.:lol:

BruceChris
02-25-2007, 05:15 PM
I strongly suspect that Andy is simply guilty of making a typo, and then not catching it. I'm sure that what he meant was --disorder that needs to be cured.

Obviously, the REAL problem here is that very few of you are as obsessive-compulsive, or anal-retentive as I am, and so you don't use a dictionary, or spell check, and you don'r PROOF READ two or three times. SHAME on all of you! :o :o

(When you get to be perfect, like I am, you'll understand) :cool:

Peace and Love, Bruce Chris

PS: Uncle Andy sure beats Uncle Dog, any day, in my book.

andrewlittle
02-25-2007, 07:37 PM
It needs CURING or it NEEDS TO BE CURED. It doesn't F***ing "Needs cured" !!!

Got it Andy? huh?

whew! thanks. I feel a lot better now. I've been wanting to do that for, like, forever! "LIKE????" I can't believe I said that. sigh.

Sure, you should talk, GD. Like there's any dang word with three astericks in it. You may be good at grammar, but you can't spell for shit.

I strongly suspect that Andy is simply guilty of making a typo, and then not catching it. I'm sure that what he meant was --disorder that needs to be cured.

PS: Uncle Andy sure beats Uncle Dog, any day, in my book.

Thank you so very much, Bruce. I knew you were a man of exceptional taste and intelligence exceeded only by your shoe size. But, just to set the record straight, you're wrong. I always screw up that "cured" thing. It's my fetching up, I think. Still, it was very nice of you.

But Uncle Andy has a point, Grandpa Dave. (even though he is really Great Uncle Andy... we just don't tell him that.)

And did you catch that, Gramps, the youngun thinks I'm a great uncle. Beats being a mediocre old grandpa anyday. Oh yeah, but don't tell Austin I know - I think it would embarrass him.

BruceChris
02-26-2007, 08:20 AM
But only when I'm replying to you, on this forum.

I always screw up that "cured" thing. Andy, you are such a Ham. I recommend using sugar, or perhaps Maple Syrup. You'll make it yet.

P&L, Bruce Chris

andrewlittle
02-26-2007, 09:48 AM
Andy, you are such a Ham. I recommend using sugar, or perhaps Maple Syrup. You'll make it yet.

It is a glorious day when someone is able to see through to the essence of your very being. :agree: :agree: :agree:

Joe Allen
02-26-2007, 01:11 PM
I seriously doubt that PhD Psychologist James Dobson is either bisexual or homosexual in his sexual orientation.

Dobson is not an ordained minister like Ted Haggard, Lonnie Latham or Paul Barnes. He is not an evangelist nor pastor like the other men.

Dobson uses his "anti homosexual/gay agenda" combined with his "anti-abortion agenda" as propaganda in USPS mailings, emails and public forums to get more money for his Focus On The Family organization, in the same way that Marion G. "Pat" Robertson does.

When the Robertson's Christian Broadcasting Network still existed, he took the whole month of June every year to have a 24/7 telethon to raise money to fight the "homosexual agenda."

Haggard went to Oral Roberts University as an undergrad when I was a grad theo student there. While his name appears in the yearbooks I have, his pic does not. He was graduated from ORU in May 1978. I might have had a class or 2 that he was also in; but, I don't remember seeing him on campus.

Haggard was originally an ordained Southern Baptist minister. He went into the ministry because his father pressured him into it.