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andrewlittle
02-24-2007, 11:02 AM
This story, at first glance, may have little to do with Soulforce in particular or GLBT issues in general. But, read on, and let me know if you think there's any validity. Bear with me, okay.

I recently read a story about chimpanzees that have adapted to using spears to catch bush-babies. Due to a declining population of its historical food supply, the chimp group has "evolved" a way of catching a different food source. The story can be found at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6387611.stm

One part of the story in particular got my attention:

Female lead

Adult males have long been regarded as the hunters in chimp groups. But the authors of the paper in Current Biology said females, particularly adolescent females, and young chimps in general were seen exhibiting this behaviour more frequently than adult males.

"It's classic in primates that when there is a new innovation, particularly in terms of tool use, the younger generations pick it up very quickly. The last ones to pick up are adults, mainly the males," said Dr Pruetz, who led the National Geographic Society-funded project.

This is because young chimps pick the skill up from their mothers, with whom they spend a lot of their time.

The authors conclude that their findings support a theory that females may have played a similarly important role in the evolution of tool technology among early humans.

Several threads have discussed who our target audience is for change (see Austen's (tpdncr4christ) http://www.soulforce.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2249 for example).

Broadening the Hypothesis.

Who have been the primary agents of change in most social justice movements? And who affects the attitudes of children the most during growing up? While it is a broad generalization, with myriad exceptions, I would proffer that it is women/mothers in both cases.

With the exception of the women's movements in general, men have had the visible roles in most social activism. But women have been the core of the workers and agents in virtually all areas - especially mothers.

Disagree with me so far, if I am basically wrong.

I am suggesting that the messages of GLBT equality and marriage be fine-tuned to appeal primarily to an audience of females generally, and mothers particularly, in order to move that message through culture.

Am I wrong in wondering if the differences that younger GLBT folks are experiencing with their peers may be the result of changes in the mothers', attitudes as opposed to the fathers', with the attitudes being assumed last (and somewhat unwillingly) by the men. Women, in general anyway, are more likely to try to find ways to enbrace their children (sorry dads, this is a generalization) and come to terms with differences.

Discuss.

scott snedeker
02-24-2007, 02:33 PM
"The female of the species is more Deadly than the male" A poem From Stag Lines by Rudyard Kipling

Women are generally more practical survivors than men in my observation. So it follows that they use their brains rather than struggle unnecessarily.

BruceChris
02-24-2007, 04:12 PM
Well, for years the debate raged, as to just what made US superior th the other animals. Some said that it was the use of language, until someone taught a primate, a gorilla as I recall, to use ASL.

Others said that it was the use of tools, but that has now proven wrong, also. Well, as Freud said, we still have the almighty penis, but now you are saying that even that is more part of the problem, than part of the solution. Personally, I agree with you there.

Freud also came up with the theory that whatever one person finds unacceptable in themselves, they would *Project* onto the other guy. I believe that Rita Mae Brown nailed it perfectly, when she called it "Venus Envy" (Freud would be spinning in his grave, but that's his problem)

Personally, I think that the really important thing to remember, is that women are more Civilized than us guys. I think that we have a LOT to learn from them. Maybe we need to let them teach us how to evolve.

(But if they ever get as far as parthenogenesis, I'm going to take my opposable thumb, and my Freudian thingee, and go off by myself, and have my very own hissy fit. :unhappy: :running: :hissy: :hissy:)

In other words, Andrew, I totally agree with you. Now just how do we, or they or anybody get enough women to turbocharge the gay rights movement?

Peace and Love, Bruce Chris


P.S.I recently read a story about chimpanzees that have adapted to using spears to catch Bush-babies. I think we're a few years too late for that.

PPS: - http://www.kateclinton.com/