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Rick336
03-11-2007, 07:31 PM
James Dobson, child psychologist, family counselor, and founder of Focus on the Family wrote a parenting book in 2001 called Bringing up Boys.

In chapter 9, The Origins of Homosexuality, Dr. Dobson describes homosexuality as being about "loneliness", "rejection", "self-hatred", and "gender confusion". He says, "This explains why the homosexual experience is so intense - and why there is such anger expressed against those who are percieved as disrespecting gays and lesbians or making their experience more painful."

But there is something obviously missing from this chapter. What Dr. Dobson never mentions in his book are the millions of gays and lesbians who live stable, productive, fullfilling lives. In fact, he completely ignores us.

As far back as 1978, gays and lesbians were reported to live happy, stable lives. According to a study among 979 gays and lesbians from a cross section of the San Francisco LGBT community, the authors of the study came to this conclusion:

"The authors concluded that homosexuals who came to terms with their homosexuality did not regret it, and those who functioned effectively sexually and socially were no more distressed than were heterosexuals. They said that it was mostly the dysfunctional and asexuals who were worse off psychologically than heterosexuals, but that there were equivalent groups among heterosexuals" - Minneapolis Tribune 7-10-78

And more recently was this study:

"A University of California study shows that gays and lesbians are just as likely as their straight counterparts to say they are happy in life, a change from previous studies that reported homosexuals were less likely to feel satisfied than heterosexuals.

The U.C. Los Angeles survey, which was conducted in 2000, asked about 2,000 people the question: "Taken all together, how would you say things are these days?" Respondents who said they were very happy or pretty happy were classified as "happy," while people who said they were very or pretty unhappy were classified as "unhappy."

The report classified people as gay or straight depending on whether or not they had had sex with someone of the same gender over the previous five years.

In studies done about a decade before, gay men fell into the happy category about 72 percent of the time, while 92 percent of straight men felt the same way. Approximately 79 percent of the women who had same-sex encounters reported being happy, while straight women reported happiness rates at 91 percent.

The 2000 study found gay or straight, men or women, the happiness rate was about the same, with all groups hovering around 90 percent.

"Obviously, there has been an increase in levels of happiness" among gays and lesbians, study author and UCLA professor of public health Dr. Susan D. Cochran told Reuters Health. "But why, we don't know."

There are any number of possibilities for why the numbers are higher now than they were 10 years ago. Cochran noted that improved treatments for AIDS has helped curb the epidemic in the gay community, where the despair of death around gay people has subsided considerably. Political and social changes that have made life easier for out gays and lesbians could also play a big role in overall happiness.

"Anti-gay stigma and discrimination is a fact of life, but somehow these folks manage to achieve equivalent levels of happiness as other people," Cochran said to Reuters. "Perhaps it's a better environment in which to be gay than it used to be." - Advocate News

Dr. Dobson completely ignores the evidence that most LGBT people are just as likely to live happy, satisfying lives as heterosexuals and that an accepting social environment for gays and lesbians can help produce happier gays and lesbians. After all, if gays and lesbians can live happy, satisfying, productive lives then there's no need for "prevention" or "reparative therapy."

It calls into question the credibility of a child psychologist and family counselor who ignores such important information. To claim to be an expert on a subject without presenting all the facts appears irresponsible and misleading.

Rick Hunter

scott snedeker
03-11-2007, 07:40 PM
Some day what dobson is doing may be at least a civil offense. Adults of the future certainly will sue him for damages he is doing to them now as children.

tdogg
03-14-2007, 09:33 PM
Dobson has to omit the facts, they would destroy the credibility of his claims, and therefore, himself. So he must leave out the facts and avoid discussion with anyone who might question him on those facts. That way he saves face with the people who take him seriously.

Sometimes, just the thought of that man makes me angry...so I'm working on non-violent thoughts right now. Peace and love to Dobson...it's difficult.

Alecto
03-15-2007, 11:25 AM
I think even more importantly is this gem:
"...why there is such anger expressed against those who are percieved as disrespecting gays and lesbians or making their experience more painful."

Um...if someone is making your experience painful, that is, causing you pain, anger is the human brain's natural response. Doesn't have anything to do with loneliness or despair or whatever else. Like...the language in that one just doesn't even try to make sense. ::shakes head::

Rick336
03-21-2007, 01:20 AM
James Dobson needs to be held accountable for deliberately misleading people about the facts of homosexuality. I find it hard to believe that he is so naive that he sincerely believes what he's saying is true. After all, how hard is it to do a little more research on a subject you claim to know something about?

Also, where are the values that Focus on the Family claims to uphold? Misleading people is dishonest. Dishonesty is the same as lying. Not only is lying not a family value but the ten commandments is very clear that it's wrong.

Civil disobedience sit-ins like the one Dotti Berry and Robynne Sapp had at Focus on the Family headquarters last month brings to light the harmful impact Dobson's dishonesty is having on the lives of indivduals and families. I hope I see more of them.

Rick

ladyinred
04-04-2007, 01:29 AM
And there aren't heterosexuals who are unhappy in their marriages, dysfunctional, promiscious,neurotic... Why is the word dysfunctional associated with homosexuality .. OUR society at large and many families are dysfunctional..Even alot of religion is dysfunctional and self serving.....Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah .:rolleyes: :p Labels and stereotypes , labels and stereotypes, labels and stereotypes, repeat after meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.:lol:

ladyinred
04-04-2007, 01:32 AM
And Dobson as a child psychologist, totally off the wall. NOT even credible..Scary man. Crush and break the child's spirit.. I could point to many other resources on psycholgy and spirituality that are far more credible than he is... Just as we have great psychologists and doctors and research, that does not pertain to all in these professions, some are definitely quacks or off the wall... I have a son and I will tell you I NEVER go to self help websites on parenting that would exalt Dobson's views...I do not find him credible and a reliable source of information on childrearing. I think it does a great dis-service and does more harm than good. And I have excellent resources and people who talk to and write to me and help me in my guidance..and I will say they don't give the type of advice he does...

ladyinred
04-04-2007, 01:47 AM
I will also say I've talked to a neurologist -psychiatrist who has done extensive work with children and also other psychologists ..They would probably say that Dobson is promoting child abuse...( Of course this was before I even knew about Dobson):eek: :confused:

ladyinred
04-04-2007, 02:07 AM
Besides how can anyone define your character or happiness? Sounds like a one size fits all mentality...WE give too much creedence to people who call themselves an authority on a subject.. We set them up as a demagogue who is knowledgable about all things and especially human nature..All knowing? Omnipotent...? I don't think anyone could say that they could be reliably an authority on all thing or all matters. Infallible in their wisdom and knowledge, hardly....

Daniel
04-04-2007, 02:08 AM
In chapter 9, The Origins of Homosexuality, Dr. Dobson describes homosexuality as being about "loneliness", "rejection", "self-hatred", and "gender confusion". He says, "This explains why the homosexual experience is so intense - and why there is such anger expressed against those who are percieved as disrespecting gays and lesbians or making their experience more painful."

Classic blame the victim tactic.

First you have to project your fears onto those whom you fear- and then the only thing left to do is blame them for that projection. You can even say it's for their own good.

"Oh.. those uppity gay people are getting mad....see...it proves we're right."

What a misguided way to live one's life for goodness sake. How about feeding the hungry, tending to the sick, vistiing those in prison? You know- the real stuff. Not this made up morality stuff. The kind of stuff that stomps on others so that one can look taller.

~


It's hard to see another person's happiness when you are busy making up stories.


~

Mr. Dobson. I wish you the peace. The deep peace of Christ.

ladyinred
04-04-2007, 02:17 AM
Yes Daniel , you have a excellent point, really... how come they never talk about the poverty, the homelessness, and the other problems of our society that really need to be addressed...or endeavor to do anything about it?

ladyinred
04-05-2007, 12:40 AM
I have a friend who is a conservative Christian, and she is a great person. However she recommended a book on child rearing by Dobson.. I'm not one who wants to insult anyone.. So I didn't really say anything.. But after reading some of the ideas that Dobson has on child rearing, I can't agree with his views.. I'm no authority on raising a child, but I don't even spank my child ( I did in the past, but not often ,but have come to learn by observing his behavior, it isn't effective. ) I also don't advocate violence against children. I think that the Golden rule applies to children as well , we often think of others , like neighbors or strangers when applying it ,but what about kids? Kids have feelings and needs and we need to treat them with respect just like anyone else..

I can relate to my own childhood , my own dad was volatile and could be violent..and growing up , I felt like I was always walking on egg shells and I did basically stay away from my dad. I'm not about to bring that legacy into my child's life..People can instill fear into their children but it doesn't always coincide with love or respect for the parent.. And I will say I did not respect my dad and thought he was mean and cruel..

Parents who demand respect from their children and who don't give the same courtesy to their children, are going to have a tough road ahead of them.. People are often fond of the scripture in the old testament,"Spare the rod and spoil the child." But overlook Paul's admonition not to provoke childen to wrath.. I guess child rearing methods vary and are often handed down as traditions from families. But children like everyone else want to feel safe , loved and valued in their home environments.. Just some of my own thoughts

u-dog
04-05-2007, 07:50 AM
My kids are all off to college now so I have 50+ years of parenting experience to draw from. I have learned these things (not an exhaustive list)

1. No one learns to respect others except by being respected
2. The job of a parent is to launch effective adults... not well-behaved children
3. Spanking and punishment are aimed at controlling behaviors immediately (short term) and serve to encourage the notion that behavior is shaped by outside forces.
4. Shaping attitudes and behaviors long term and internalizing moral decision making requires teaching empathy ("how do my actions affect others?")
5. Teaching empathy is a long slow process that begins before the child is actually able to do it and lasts well into the child's adulthood.
6. Children are way more impressed and affected by our deeds than by our words. The former will trump the latter everytime -- EVEN (especially?)IF THE LATTER IS ACCOMPANIED BY HITTING.
7. Children understand that spanking is violence even if Dr. Dobson doesn't.
8. Dr. Dobby is EVEN MORE POISONOUS to children than he is to gay people.
9. T. Barry Brazzleton is your man if you want advice on raising your children! His recommendations are backed up by ACTUAL SCIENCE!

ladyinred
04-06-2007, 07:10 PM
Hey U dog.. I think if you don't mind, I'll save your comments.With your permission of course, I keep stuff that I find is useful to me in my own parenting and often like to save stuff I find useful,inspirational or helpful) I think you make some excellent and very valid points. Thanx..

ladyinred
04-06-2007, 07:14 PM
T. Barry Brazzleton, does he have books on child rearing? Sounds like you did an excellent job with your children.

u-dog
04-06-2007, 10:32 PM
Yes, he has written bunches of books and done scads of videos etc. He's about 80something now but still going all over the country speaking and advocating for children. Go to Amazon and search on T. Barry Brazleton. Google him. He is the sweetest gentlest human being on the planet... a father... a grandfather.... a pediatrician... a scientist.

There was another series of books that my wife and I used and I can't remember who published them. They had titles like "Your child from 1-3" Your child from 4-7" I will double check with my wife and get back to you on the titles.

ladyinred
04-11-2007, 09:10 AM
Many blessings to you u- dog and your family. I'm, sure you have wonderful kids. Thanks for the information.You sound like an intelligent competent parent who has wisdom and common sense to boot.

ladyinred
04-13-2007, 11:08 PM
u-dog you might want to refer to this article:http://www.innerbonding.com/index.lasso?did=content&content.article=454 I joined this website for $5.00 a month. They have free articles as well. But I think it is well worth the cost and they provide other tools and information as well as counseling.There are also good articles for GLBT people.