A Lose-Lose Proposition, For Both Our Opponents, And Us

[BruceChris]

A leading Southern Baptist leader is beginning to warm to the idea that the various aspects of our sexuality may be determined in utero, in the first few weeks of life, and not be genetic, and also not be a matter of choice.

http://www.planetout.com/news/article.html?2007/03/15/1

His confederates are very unhappy that he is being so un-scriptural as to suggest that it is NOT a matter of personal choice, but unabashedly hypocritically in favor of the idea that perhaps we can prevent such high level immorality. That the creation such * immorality * would appear to be an act of God apparently does not bother them.

Still, once the technology is perfected, we could, in theory, prevent all G,L,B,T,and I babies. That this technology would raise the cost of having a baby by a large, perhaps a very large factor, and in any case, not be available to about 90% of the world's population, they are apparently willing to gloss over, for now.

This does also explain why Martina Navratilova did her best to unleash all kindsa unpleasantness on some researchers who were trying to learn how to prevent homosexuality in sheep, who's populations are known to consistently be 12% gay. First the four legged sheep, then the two legged kind.

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Peace and Love, Bruce Chris

[BenL]

Still, once the technology is perfected, we could, in theory, prevent all G,L,B,T,and I babies.

The greatest sin in the Bible is to replace the true God with a false God. This smacks of playing God, interfering with God's creation to make it more like what this person wants it to be. People just can't stand the fact that creation is messy. It follows God's inscrutable plan. They want to improve on what God has created. It's blasphemy and idolatry of the highest order.

How's that for an all-out, uncompromising, judgmental opinion? ;)

[u-dog]

Pretty good for someone with so little practice ! but you are absolutely right. The CCs are always saying that homosexuality is the worst sin in the Bible but that just isn't so. Idolatry is the worst sin in the Bible

[tdogg]

Continued attemps by a small faction of the human population to obliterate those who they feel don't fit in to their picture of a perfect group of holy humans, in an effort to take over the world. I don't say that in jest, I truly believe those exist who would enjoy living in a small-boxed world of identical humans where no one has any differences.

Strange and scary news to me BruceChris.

[NathanATX]

Pretty good for someone with so little practice ! but you are absolutely right. The CCs are always saying that homosexuality is the worst sin in the Bible but that just isn't so. Idolatry is the worst sin in the Bible

The worst sin is usually what the "other" person is doing.

[u-dog]

The worst sin is usually what the "other" person is doing.

This is certainly true, Nathan, all of us go looking for the motes in the eyes of others while ignoring the logs in our own eyes, but "objectively" speaking, there is no sin that recieves more attention in the Hebrew and Christian scriptures than breaking the first commandment.

It runs like a river through Exodus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua and Judges ... the Psalms ... the prophets .. the Gospels and the Epistles. The original sin (eating from the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil) is identified clearly by the serpent as idolatry (trying to be like God -- putting ourselves in the place of God)

So I stand by my opinion that the worst sin in the Bible is Idolatry

[ladyinred]

Speaking of homosexual sheep.....I've heard about gay penguins, and it apparently didn't bother the "straight" penguins around them,lol diversity in nature? Must be a natural thing since it is a part of nature itself... I've seen dogs humping dogs of the same sex, not to be crude or offensive here. Bur what is going on with that... My mom had a pup and older dog that were male, the pup was always humping on the older male and it didn't seem to phase him. Of course he was thirteen, and had a female partner who had died who was like his soul mate , they were always together ,and he was quite the gentleman, when going outside, she went before him, when eating from his bowl of dog food , he always left some for her, when snuggling together on the couch they were inseparable...They liked to play and she had a habit of knocking her hip into his,LOL When she passed away my mom bought the pup who would even sleep on the older dogs back...the only time he would get irritated with the pup is when the playing got too rough or teeth sunk in... I guess animals don't have the hangups humans do. But to observe animals and to learn more about nature it seems scientists are learning more about the diversity of nature.... This may offend fundamentalists but they can't argue with nature....

[BruceChris]

God has left us vast information about the world around us, and has allowed us to find it, a little at a time. This we call science, or sometimes the natural sciences. Conservative Christians have been UNcomfortable with nature, and the discoveries of the natural sciences well, at least since Copernicus and Galileo. They keep claiming that they are being "Attacked" by science, every time someone discovers something that doesn't fit into their orthodoxy. :eek: :eek:

Argue with nature? Almost every chance they get.

And yeah, I guess that this does get us back to idolatry. "It's my interpretation of the Bible, against the world, and I'm right, and you're wrong" :mad: :smashy: :headbang:

Idolatry seems to me to be * fear and ego, plus a lack of trust in God. *

Nice bumpin' inta ya, Lady In Red, Peace and Love, Bruce Chris

[TigerXero]

Isn't this just like the Nazi's? They didn't like the Jews, among numerous other groups, so they tried to kill them all. This is the same thing, except that instead of execution, they'll just modify the person before they're born to fit their perfect image.

[TigerXero]

If they're able to produce technology to rend all babies straight, doesn't that mean the same technology to make the babies gay would exist. IT would be like baby warfare... with the pro-gay folks creating gay babies and the anti-gay folks making straight ones.

[u-dog]

Isn't this just like the Nazi's? They didn't like the Jews, among numerous other groups, so they tried to kill them all. This is the same thing, except that instead of execution, they'll just modify the person before they're born to fit their perfect image.

thinking that you can improve on creation... can you say "IDOLATRY"?

[andrewlittle]

thinking that you can improve on creation... can you say "IDOLATRY"?

Amen to that.

[ladyinred]

Yep Bruce you gotta it.:)

[Pathfinder]

Two quick thoughts/questions, whatever:

1. If there is a genetic link to homosexuality (and I believe there is), then isn't Albert Mohler, President of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, claiming that God isn't perfect and that it is the duty of the "right" God-fearing Christians to save the world from God's mistakes?

2. Isn't it strange that right-to-life people may actually find a use for abortion?

All of this is said, tongue in cheek, of course.

[marutidas]

Two quick thoughts/questions, whatever:

1. If there is a genetic link to homosexuality (and I believe there is), then isn't Albert Mohler, President of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, claiming that God isn't perfect and that it is the duty of the "right" God-fearing Christians to save the world from God's mistakes?

2. Isn't it strange that right-to-life people may actually find a use for abortion?

All of this is said, tongue in cheek, of course.

:eek: Scary

[BruceChris]

Now if we could only find a genetic link to Southern Baptism......... No, on second thought, instead of trying to prevent them, we should witness to them, and convince them of the sinfulness of their ways. Come to think of it, we're already DOING that. Yay, E-Riders!

P&L, BC

[tdogg]

I wanted to mention in another thread but forgot - great pic BruceChris!!!

I agree, yay E-Riders!!! :tup: :applause: :weee:

[andrewlittle]

I wanted to mention in another thread but forgot - great pic BruceChris!!!

I agree, yay E-Riders!!! :tup: :applause: :weee:

Wow! Did that one come in the frame like Daniel's? What does everyone else think? There some depth in those eyes, isn't there? Eyes - windows to the soul - nice soul, Bruce.

[Alecto]

Now if we could only find a genetic link to Southern Baptism......... No, on second thought, instead of trying to prevent them, we should witness to them, and convince them of the sinfulness of their homophobia. Come to think of it, we're already DOING that. Yay, E-Riders!

P&L, BC
http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/mohlers-slippery-slope/#more-128
Funny you should mention that....

[BruceChris]

Or just being overly poetic?

P&L, BC

[andrewlittle]

Or just being overly poetic?

P&L, BC

I'm afraid I'll have to pass on the pass. As damaging as it may be to your ego, not everyone who admires your astonishing good looks and exemplary intellect are after only one thing. Some of us aren't actually interested in THAT one thing, but find you appealing for other reasons.

(Yes dear, I told him. I let him down easy. I did - really I did. Besides sweetie, you know I like my partners hairy, burly and in chiffon. No, honey, I haven't forgotten you don't like chiffon.)

As for the latter - well, while I can run on monotonously, I really don't wax on poetically.

[scott snedeker]

Two quick thoughts/questions, whatever:

1. If there is a genetic link to homosexuality (and I believe there is), then isn't Albert Mohler, President of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, claiming that God isn't perfect and that it is the duty of the "right" God-fearing Christians to save the world from God's mistakes?

2. Isn't it strange that right-to-life people may actually find a use for abortion?

All of this is said, tongue in cheek, of course.

Great thread! Lost sleep worrying about Eugenics last night!:eek:

I felt an strong fearful disempowering emotional escrow activated by the topic :eek:

So I did some an examination of my emotional inventory.

Eugenics used in this way activates the following negative emotional issues within me!

1. Homosexuals should be killed because they are abominations. So let's kill them in utero!

2. Mohler has the idea that he is entitled to end any further generations of gays by using medical science. So my nature and existence can be made illegitimate by erasing my hard fought restoration of my self love and sense that I am deserving of life, love and joy.

Here is where I cleaned up my pre-existing negative emotional inventory.

1 The human population is 50% male and 50% female (within 2% at any given measurement). Isn't this odd? Why would the incidence of each sex be so precise?

Answer: It is part of the inherent design of the species.

So then why is (depending on the estimate) the incidence of homosexuality roughly 10% (give or take 5%)?

Answer: It is part of the inherent design of the species also.

Conclusion:

We are part of the design!:weee:

How affirming is that! Boy! that makes me feel good!:weee:

The flaw in using eugenics is now clear to me!

You cannot make the incidence of heterosexuality 100%, For the same reason that you can't make the incidence of male sex 100%. You would be distorting the design that has perpetuated our species for millions of years!

Boy! that feels good too!:weee:

So let Mohler speak some more about his eugenics crusade! The more people hear him speak = The more people who will see that he is not just a moron but and evil moron who is unfit to be given any authority.

Just give him a room with a chair and a televsion so he can be alone in a world that he hates more and more every day and not bother anybody else!

And yes, That felt good too!

My emotional inventory looks pretty clean now!

Great workout! I look forward to more!

Oh! one more thing! Obstetrics has the highest number of malpractice liability suits in the industry. Eugenics would never survive the onslaught of litigation! Trust me sweeties, I'm a physician, It will never happen. This is all an academic exercise!

I just keep feeling better all the time!

[u-dog]

Kurt Vonegut, in one of his novels (might have been "Sirens of Titan" or "Slaughterhouse five") has his main character discover that the conception of a human child, in fact, requires more than just a man and woman. It involves, like... seven different kinds of people including a lesbian and a gay-man.

Mohler's comments reminded me of that. Wouldn't it be ironic if he succeeded in eliminating gay people and it resulted in wide scale infertility among straight people. :eek:

"whoops! Sorry. I guess they were part of God's design after all ... my bad."