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pnggrad79
05-14-2007, 10:06 AM
Please allow me to vent then talk me down with some sage wisdom which I know there is a plethora of around here.

My wife and I have been married for almost 3 years and been together for 10. When I decided to come out of the closet to my family, I went whole hog. My wife said nothing to hers, despite the fact that her brother is gay and they have known for years. So I sat around at family functions (they are the only family that allows me into their house, mine refuse) a virtual ghost. My wife and her family barely acknowledge my existence, I get no introductions, and my wife doesn't touch me, speak to me, and treats me as if I am nothing more than lint on the TV screen. 80 miles north of her parents is our house and there, she is all over me, hugging me, telling me she loves me, etc. But when we are at her parents' house, I am an infection. Finally, her dad cornered her one day and said, "Did ya'll get married in Niagara Falls?" My wife said, "Uh yes" and he said, "We're not stupid, we see the rings." So her father outed her. Now its out in the open, they know, we're still welcome there, but when we go to her parents house, I am still a ghost. In the car driving up the driveway, she reaches across the console, kisses me, says, "I love you", but when we open that door, she turns into the ice princess. I am not called "baby" I am called by my name. She doesn't come within 5 feet of me, barely talks to me, and she wonders why I just sit around and wait to leave.

Yesterday, Mother's Day, we go down to see her mother, and one of her mother's friends has a rent house that caught on fire. So me, my wife, and her mother all go to the house to meet her mother's friend. All the neighbors are standing around and my wife is approached by a high school friend of hers. I am standing not 2 feet from her, and they talk for a good 15 minutes. This guy keeps looking at me, doesn't know who I am, and my wife says nothing about who I am or what I am doing there. For 15 minutes I stand there while they talk and she says nothing. He left, and she grins at me and says, "I know what you're going to say and save it until we get back in the car." We walk to the car, get in, and she says, "That was Fred Flintstone (not his real name, duh) and if he found out I am a lesbian, the whole town would know. I don't want to embarrass my mother."

I said, "So now I am an embarrassment to you? If I was a man, you would have had no problem at all introducing me to your high school friend. Furthermore, your mother would not be embarrassed. But I am not a man, I am a woman. And I have done nothing for you or your mother to be embarrassed about. I don't drink, don't smoke, have never been in jail, and I treat you very well. Why do you treat me like lint on the TV screen in front of your family?" I am tired of being treated like a disease that needs to be hidden away, and not talked about. Being gay is not a disease. It is not something I am ashamed of.

My question to you is this- Am I wrong to want to be treated like a person around her family or should I just keep quiet, not cause a scene, and suck up with being treated like a ghost? or should I say something ?:confused: I love my wife but I am tired of being treated one way at our house and the complete opposite at her family's house.

sjbouza
05-14-2007, 11:07 AM
No you shouldnt be a ghost. No one deserves that for whatever reason. Your spouse needs to get over her self loathing in front of her family or it will continue to get worse and I am in fear for your relationship. No one should be treated differently depending on where they are. It should be the same, well to a certain extent, no matter where you are at. I am not saying be all "lets do it here and now" when you are at the families house. I am just saying that any loving relationship should be expressed in a normal manner. She shouldnt feel ashamed to hold you hand, give you a kiss, or say I love you just because her family is around. She has some issues that she needs to deal with. You need to help her deal with them also because it is directly affecting you and your relationship.

It seems, from your description, that she is trying not to bring embarassment to her mother. What it really sounds like is she is trying not to bring embarrassment to herself. It seems to me, and I could be wrong, that she is not totally comfortable with being gay herself. I can relate to that point. I was for a great deal of time not comfortable with being gay. My first relationship with a guy was in college. I brought him home once, well before my family knew I was gay. I treated him like a ghost too. I stayed a good distance from him as not to draw attention that he was my boyfriend. But when we were alone at night it was a totally different story, I was all over him like white on rice. I can see the similarities in that situation with yours. I dont think that your spouse feels comfortable with the idea of being gay in front of her family. I think deep down inside that she is embarrassed about it. Why I dont know, but it isnt that uncommon. It is easier for some than others just as with everything in life. Some straight couples find it difficult to show affection to their partners in front of family or the public.

I do see this as something both of you must work through together. You need to be understanding of her needs and vise versa. You both need to have a loving respect for each other and try get past her embarrassment. I think that she really needs to sit down with her family and hear what they have to say about your relationship. I think you should be there but only as a listener. I think that if she hears, from her family, that they love her no matter what, then I think she will be able to come out of the closet fully. It seems that her family, even after finding out that you guys are married, still accept you and her. So I dont think that they would see it as wrong or disgusting to see affection between the two of you. But I am just guessing. That is why I think it important for the two of you to sit down with her family and talk things out. Find out where they are at on the subject. Let them share their views and maybe it will put her at ease. It may even be a good idea, I dont know how your partner would react though, to go to her family yourself first and talk to them about it. Tell them exactly what you said here. Let them know your feelings to. Maybe then they can just bring it up in a non confrontational way. Something like, "hey why dont you ever hold your wifes hand, give her a kiss or tell her you love her when you are over here?" That will open up the door and maybe let her know that it is alright with them.

I hope some of this rambling makes sense to you. Sometimes my mind get ahead of my fingers and I loose my entire meanings...lol But there is a problem and it must be dealt with or your relationship will suffer the consequences. Good luck hun...you are both in my prayers.

Love in Christ,
Scott

Zerbie
05-14-2007, 12:31 PM
I am so sorry PNG. :( :love: :love: :love: That must feel horrible! Yet I can see what she's going through also. (((( PNGgrad ))))

I believe she's scared of having a lot of people know about her sexuality. It sounds like she expects the worst from her family, for her family, for herself, and from her hometown. I think that's actually a very common fear. And her fear is out of proportion to what would probably be the reality - especially given that her father basically announced to her, "we all know." But it still seems easier to hide than to risk facing fears.


It's dastardly unfair to you, of course PNG. But what she sees right now is her own fear. You need to bring it up for a thorough discussion at some time when you are both at home and relaxed. Not right after it's happened when your emotions are high too. If you're both relaxed tonight, tonight would be a good time to discuss what happened yesterday. Tell her clearly how it felt, what you need from her, and ask what solution she can come up with. Maybe holding your hand in front of her parents will be a giant step for her, simple as it sounds, one that she can take next time.

If the two of you aren't able to work a solution to this quickly, then how about going for a few couples' counseling sessions with a GLBT friendly counselor who has experience with conflicts of this sort? A neutral 3rd party can help a lot sometimes.

pnggrad79
05-14-2007, 02:17 PM
Zerbie,
We have been to counseling because of this and some other issues. The bottom line is this-she doesn't want to disappoint her mother. I told her that her mother was a big girl and has had tougher things to deal with than her daughter being a lesbian. Her middle son is gay, too! This is NO BIG DEAL.
I can't make my wife do anything. I can't make her proud to be with me in front of her family. I can't make her stop ignoring me in front of her family. I don't want her to do this because I ask her to, I want her to acknowledge me because she loves me and is proud to be with me. I am just very hurt and since this has happened many times before, I just need to resolve myself to thinking it is never going to change and just learn to deal with being lint on the TV screen. Besides behind closed doors where no one can see us, she is a very different person. I am with her because I love her, not because she loves me. I don't know what to do with the hurt, though.

Zerbie
05-14-2007, 03:00 PM
That's different. I thought yesterday was the first time you mentioned to her how you felt when she does that. I didn't know you'd been over it many times before and talked it over with a counselor.

It sounds like you're at an impasse of sorts. She isn't willing to take a risk, and for you that means things are going to stay the same. I guess the only remaining question is whether it's more costly for you to go with her to visit her family and endure being invisible, or to stay at home when she goes to visit.

I don't know what to say, never having been in that situation myself. Wish you all the best though.
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