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progressive4christ

06-16-2007, 06:49 PM

MONTGOMERY, Ala. — The Alabama Department of Homeland Security has taken down a Web site it operated that included gay rights and anti-war organizations in a list of groups that could include terrorists.
The Web site identified different types of terrorists, and included a list of groups it believed could spawn terrorists. The list also included environmentalists, animal rights advocates and abortion opponents.
The director of the department, Jim Walker, said his agency received a number of calls and e-mails from people who said they felt the site unfairly targeted certain people just because of their beliefs. He said he plans to put the Web site back on the Internet, but will no longer identify specific types of groups.
Howard Bayliss, chairman of the gay and lesbian advocacy group Equality Alabama, said he doesn't understand why gay rights advocates would be on the list.

"Our group has only had peaceful demonstrations. I'm deeply concerned we've been profiled in this discriminatory matter," Bayliss said.
The site included the groups under a description of what it called "single-issue" terrorists. That group includes people who feel they are trying to create a better world, the Web site said. It said that in some communities, law enforcement officers consider certain single issue groups to be a threat.
"Single-issue extremists often focus on issues that are important to all of us. However, they have no problem crossing the line between legal protest and ... illegal acts, to include even murder, to succeed in their goals," it read.
Walker said the site had been up since spring 2004, and had gotten a relatively small number of hits until it recently became the subject of blogs, he said.
Birmingham attorney Eric Johnston, president of the Alabama Pro Life Coalition, said he was concerned about any list that described people doing social justice work as terrorists.
"Our group's main mission is educational. The thought that we would somehow be harboring terrorists escapes me," he said.

Gregory_de_Bois

06-16-2007, 08:01 PM

Of course. Anything that opposes the majority viewpoint must be a terrorist. At least they got it off. The funny thing is, I am each of those: anti-war, pro-gay, pro-animal, anti-abortion, and environmentalist.:D

Gosh, I am so proud of myself...:D

u-dog

06-16-2007, 08:37 PM

Gregory_de_Bois

06-16-2007, 08:56 PM

Don't worry son, I'll visit you down in Gitmo... or maybe we'll have cells next door to each other.

:D
I can't wait. I always thought it would be interesting to be imprisoned. When I was younger I used to pretend I was an orphan who was a musical prodigy and had one younger sibling. If I didn't get away from the bad guys, I would be put in prison and somehow try to escape, or I would die from cancer (I think that happened because I had no idea what cancer was). Sometimes I would only have one leg. Ah... the beautiful childhood memories...I even had a beau, Jacob. I haven't seen him in almost ten years. Wow...

antonyh

06-16-2007, 09:21 PM

Don't worry son, I'll visit you down in Gitmo... or maybe we'll have cells next door to each other.

Can I have the cell between the two of you :lol:

Gregory_de_Bois

06-16-2007, 09:57 PM

Can I have the cell between the two of you :lol:

Fine with me. Hey, I think I should do the designing and decorating of this jail cell. Maybe if we scare the guards enough we can get them to give us enough supplies to make cells our own little oases (is that right? what is the plural of oasis?). Man, this could be better than the free life. I mean if they got all of the loving people in the world in some jail somewhere it would be so nice for us. We could have a nice little place for the nice people. Okay, I am going to stop now before I sound redundant.:D

simpleman

06-17-2007, 02:38 AM

u-dog

06-17-2007, 05:39 AM

That story reminds me of the time that I was told that James Dobson's anti-gay rhetoric led people to commit hate crimes.

"they have no problem crossing the line between legal protest and ... illegal acts, to include even murder, to succeed in their goals"

Why is it that everyone writes this off as ridiculous, and then turns around and blames the rhetoric of James Dobson, which has never included any calls to violence against homosexuals, for hate crime? I mean if these Homeland Security people are so ridiculous for fearing acts of violence by activist zealots, then why aren't many here equally as ridiculous for fearing acts of violence by followers of Focus on the Family?

Think of it this way. Greenpeace is not who you worry about, but the Earth Liberation Force likes to blow up cars. Is James Dobson Greenpeace or the ELF?

You really need to keep an eye on your logical fallacies Simp! (I have a website someplace that lists them in great detail if you want, I'll look them up) In this case you have used TWO (count them) false analogies.

False Analogy #1: arguing that Dobson provides the spirititual/religious framework that allows violent persons to dehumanize and attack innocent gay citizens IS THE SAME AS the government maintaining and publishing a list of "dangerous/subversive groups" that includes peaceful advocacy groups exercising their 1st amendment rights. THE TWO HAVE NOTHING IN COMMON. THE ANALOGY IS FALSE AND MISLEADING.

False Analogy #2 (may also qualify as a false dichotomy...another logical falicy) "James D is either Greenpeace or ELF." Dobson is NEITHER. Using fake science, half-truths, lies, and other deceptive means, Dobson provides the philosophical/theological foundations for hate crimes much as Hitler's "Mein Kampf" provided philosophical foundation for the crimes of the Nazi Brown shirts in the 30's and for the Crimes of the Third Reich in the late 30's and early 40's. To hold James Dobson accountable for the crimes he enables is no less valid than holding Hitler accountable for the crimes he engendered in Europe in the last century.

REally, Simp, your agregious Sophistry (look it up) is getting quite TIRESOME!! Either obtain some intellectual integrity and philosophical know-how or SHUT UP!

BrianB

06-17-2007, 06:28 AM

Simpleman might have to crack open that intro. to logic book to brush up on his logical arguments. Recognizing false analogies was the first thing we started with in my class. Of course I'm assuming that he took intro. to logic.

simpleman

06-17-2007, 09:49 AM

False Analogy #1: arguing that Dobson provides the spirititual/religious framework that allows violent persons to dehumanize and attack innocent gay citizens IS THE SAME AS the government maintaining and publishing a list of "dangerous/subversive groups" that includes peaceful advocacy groups exercising their 1st amendment rights. THE TWO HAVE NOTHING IN COMMON. THE ANALOGY IS FALSE AND MISLEADING.

Prove to me that James Dobson has anything to do with violent acts against homosexuals. If you said "Fred Phelps provides the spiritual/religious framework that allows violent persons to dehumanize and attack innocent gay citizens" I would probably buy it, because Fred Phelps uses "hate" quite liberally. Maintaining this list is just like the government maintaining a list of all Christian groups that have ever disagreed with gay rights as violent. SoulForce isn't violent, so it shouldn't have been grouped with the ELF in this situation, so why must James Dobson be grouped with violent, individual mean people (especially considering that he doesn't ever preach violence). That was what I was asking.

False Analogy #2 (may also qualify as a false dichotomy...another logical falicy) "James D is either Greenpeace or ELF." Dobson is NEITHER. Using fake science, half-truths, lies, and other deceptive means, Dobson provides the philosophical/theological foundations for hate crimes much as Hitler's "Mein Kampf" provided philosophical foundation for the crimes of the Nazi Brown shirts in the 30's and for the Crimes of the Third Reich in the late 30's and early 40's. To hold James Dobson accountable for the crimes he enables is no less valid than holding Hitler accountable for the crimes he engendered in Europe in the last century.

Yes, you are right. James Dobson is like Hitler. Without anyone knowing he has rooted 11 million GLBT people and their supporters out of their homes and gassed them. He has another 4 million working as slaves at the FoF compound. How could I never see this? Hitler condoned violence, and not only that he used Mein Kampf as the basis for ordering violence on people. James Dobson doesn't condone or order violence on anyone.

REally, Simp, your agregious Sophistry (look it up) is getting quite TIRESOME!! Either obtain some intellectual integrity and philosophical know-how or SHUT UP!

Yes comparing James Dobson to Hitler falls perfectly under "intellectual integrity" and "philosophical know how".

dewdrop_world

06-17-2007, 10:07 AM

Prove to me that James Dobson has anything to do with violent acts against homosexuals.

Well, now you've pushed the door wide open... because now we just have to show that Dobson has anything... anything at all... to do with anti-gay violence.

:D

Where was I just reading this?... maybe the New Republic? Anyway... if a class of person is regarded as sub-human, it becomes easier to commit atrocities against them. Look them in the eye with respect for their humanity, and how can you beat them within an inch of their lives and leave them for dead? Look at them as just another filthy f@990t, and it's easy.

Dobson tells his followers that we are nothing but filthy f@990ts. (We have proven THIS to you many times over... funny how, now, none of those conversations ever happened? Don't you remember any of it?) He doesn't pull the trigger himself, but he helps others to feel like they should pull the trigger.

James

nmwolfboy

06-17-2007, 10:12 AM

Yes comparing James Dobson to Hitler falls perfectly under "intellectual integrity" and "philosophical know how".

Comparing JD's methods to methods used by Hitler is not the same as comparing them personally. However, u-dog's analogy is an example of a good use of analogy, unlike the false analogies you provided upthread. :tdown:

Pax :dove:,
scott

tpdncr4christ

06-17-2007, 10:48 AM

u-dog

06-17-2007, 12:54 PM

Zerbie

06-17-2007, 01:35 PM

What's especially frightening about this maneuvre is the context. We now live in a country where anyone can be detained without charge merely on governmental suspicion of being "a terrorist."

If members of gay rights groups are labelled terrorists, we have another big set of problems.

ladyinred

06-17-2007, 02:20 PM

They include organizations that are not known for violent acts? Perhaps if they want to see who the potential terrorists really are, try Ann Coulter who seems to sympathize with those who blow up abortion clinics and actually kill people, try the Army of God which actually does condone violence against abortion clinics and doctors. Try those who are viruently anti-environmentalists who don't care about the destruction to the environment and actually encourage it. Try militant right wingers who actually believe in overthrowing the government through violence. How about those who want to impose a censorship and tear down the wall of separation between church and state. They need to be concerned about these groups I'd say. They sound more like terrorists to me.

Those who think it is within reason to justify violence against certain groups are breaking the law,if they carry out those actions. They have no right to take the law into their own hands or justify murder n the name of their religious beliefs. But as far as I know antiwar demonstrations are protected by the first amendment and free speech as long as they do not commit violence or advocate committing violence against anyone. Environmentalists and gay rights organizations are the same ,protected by the first amendment and free speech as long as they do not commit criminal acts of violence toward others.

antonyh

06-17-2007, 03:19 PM

kara speltz

06-17-2007, 04:08 PM

But I have exercized bad judgement. Against all the advice and counsel offered by those wiser than myself I have

Fed the trolls again!

For those who are interested in such things, the name of Simpleman's most recent logical fallacy is the "Red Herring" he has ignored my true argument which is that Dobson has moral responsibility for the consequences of his ideas in the same way that Hitler had responsibility for the consequences of HIS ideas as articulated in "Mein Kampf" and instead has thrown out to you an argument that I did NOT make (that Dobson IS Hitler)

I'm done feeding the trolls now.

Blessings on everyone!

U-dog

Oh Dave, I know it's tempting when simpleton once again starts his illogical tiraids. He has his mind made up and doesn't want any actual facts to make him have to think. My latest way to hold my tongue (or i guess it's my fingers:lol:, is to treat it as a comedy. Because clearly as sad as his statements are, they are also laughable. That is if you like dark comedies. kara

ladyinred

06-17-2007, 04:44 PM

ladyinred

06-17-2007, 04:56 PM

Simple man,Dobson's paranoid rhetoric that gays are out to destroy heterosexual marriages and families and society doesn't have impact on society at large and how GLBT people are seen and being treated? You are so full of poop.http://gay.netscape.com/story/2007/01/18/gay-straight-alliance-seeks-injunction-to-gain-equal-access-at-okeechobee-florida-high-school/rss

People listen to their religious leaders and take them very seriously, to the point of even voting for political leaders who reflect their views, They listen to people like Dobson and Robertson when they say vote for such-and such and are very good at orchestrating and moblizing others to support their agenda and causes,even if it means violence toward and harrassment of gay students at school. Again I question your depth of moral clarity since you seem to foo-foo such assertions away as the constitutional right to support hate speech and even rigorously defend that assertion. Let's look at the statistics that say that this is affecting the LGBT community causing many to commit suicide.(Haven't you read psychological research that says verbal and emotional abuse are often as damaging as physical abuse)

It's almost like a mob mentality , people rally around these religious leaders as if they are God, and the word of God springs forth from their mouth. They certainly have been calling the shots haven't they? They aren't just disagreeing with the lifestyles of LGBT people they are doing everything in their power to denigrate them and strip them of any rights. They don't seem to mind tormenting or being cruel to LGBT people do they? Or causing harm to them? Where in your holy bible does it advocate doing such things? And the bible holds everyone accountable for the words they speak (Even portraying the mouth as set on fire by the flames of hell) because it says words reflect what is in the heart. You might want to ponder that one a bit. Evidently words have power and carry alot of weight since people are often influenced by them written or spoken.

antonyh

06-17-2007, 05:05 PM

AntonyH ,That video sent chills down my spine, but what is also sad is even straight kids are singled out for humiliation and attack if they are suspected of being gay. It might be the clothes they wear or how they act. Everyone is becoming so paranoid about the "gay agenda" it is even reflected in the attitudes at public schools, everyone is walking on eggshells now, never knowing who might be the next victim or victims of hate. The religious right and their vicious rhetoric affects everyone. I just wish people would wake up and "get it." It has really gotten out of control ,a man even murdered his three year old son whom he thought had "gay tendacies." This is just sick and sickening that people would turn a blind eye and not realize just how much grief and sorrow the relgious right is contributing to.

I've been tracking hate crimes in the US for 1.5 months at http://www.hatecrimesbill.org. Most of them have been committed by kids between 16 and 25. You're right...this is a serious issue in the schools.

The pattern follows what the APA wrote about in 1998:

"Most hate crimes are carried out by otherwise law-abiding young people who see little wrong with their actions. Alcohol and drugs sometimes help fuel these crimes, but the main determinant appears to be personal prejudice, a situation that colors people's judgment, blinding the aggressors to the immorality of what they are doing. Such prejudice is most likely rooted in an environment that disdains someone who is "different" or sees that difference as threatening."

http://www.apa.org/releases/hate.html

progressive4christ

06-17-2007, 05:20 PM

Fine with me. Hey, I think I should do the designing and decorating of this jail cell. Maybe if we scare the guards enough we can get them to give us enough supplies to make cells our own little oases (is that right? what is the plural of oasis?). Man, this could be better than the free life. I mean if they got all of the loving people in the world in some jail somewhere it would be so nice for us. We could have a nice little place for the nice people. Okay, I am going to stop now before I sound redundant.:D

I think that Martha Stewart has tips on her site for cell decor and how to do it for just a few do cigarettes.

Zerbie

06-17-2007, 05:44 PM

I've been tracking hate crimes in the US for 1.5 months at http://www.hatecrimesbill.org. Most of them have been committed by kids between 16 and 25. You're right...this is a serious issue in the schools.

The pattern follows what the APA wrote about in 1998:

"Most hate crimes are carried out by otherwise law-abiding young people who see little wrong with their actions. Alcohol and drugs sometimes help fuel these crimes, but the main determinant appears to be personal prejudice, a situation that colors people's judgment, blinding the aggressors to the immorality of what they are doing. Such prejudice is most likely rooted in an environment that disdains someone who is "different" or sees that difference as threatening."

http://www.apa.org/releases/hate.html

Allowing this to go on does terrible things to the youngsters who are taught that gays are somehow sub-human. The poor kid who grows up with virulently homophobic parents, taken to a virulently homophobic church that supports stripping gay people of constitutional rights, is in a terrible situation where all his authority figures (in his understanding, God prominent among them) authorize harming gay people. That is the kid in danger of committing assault on spur of the moment, or with a group of like-minded "friends," going out looking for victims. No, they do not believe what they are doing when they swing that baseball bat is wrong: they have been allowed to believe that gay people are not people and by extension, they think that violence is acceptable.

I once had an exchange with a young man that went like this:
(after a man was violently assaulted by a group of young men)

"Oh come on Zerbie, it was just a fag."
"He's a human being!"
"NO! IT was JUST A FAG!"

ladyinred

06-17-2007, 05:49 PM

Zerbie, I hope you will read this one:http://voice.paly.net/view_story.php?id=1966 just how damaging it is.http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2006/08/31/84

antonyh

06-17-2007, 05:54 PM

I once had an exchange with a young man that went like this:
(after a man was violently assaulted by a group of young men)

"Oh come on Zerbie, it was just a fag."
"He's a human being!"
"NO! IT was JUST A FAG!"

That is unreal. So what can we do to reach kids about respect in America's schools? It seems that conservative parents are guarding the schools from these kinds of messages.

progressive4christ

06-17-2007, 05:56 PM

ladyinred

06-17-2007, 06:03 PM

http://www.alternet.org/rights/49160/

progressive4christ

06-17-2007, 06:08 PM

be decorated with rainbow ribbons and satin banners? I'd love that!!!

Who'd a thunk that gays aren't good enough fighters to be in the armed forces, but we can certainly terrorize the public! Look out, here come men with good fashion sense and women who could beat them up! I'm shaking with terror...:eek::eek::eek:

:love:

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::r ofl::rofl:

progressive4christ

06-17-2007, 06:22 PM

Simpleman, Judy Shepard has a message for you:

wHBpfwLfiNk

THAN YOU SO MUCH FOR SHOWING MATTHEW SHEPARD"S VIDEO. He is the reason why I am more passionate about the protection of the rights of GLBT people and why I cry and pray on this subject matter often. I have made donations and have communicated several time with some of the people at the foundation; in fact if you go to myspace you can see he is on my page along with Dr. Mel whites Sermon. www.myspace/200800930 (http://www.myspace200800930)

Again THANK YOU SO MUCh for showing "someone" that video.

Daniel

06-17-2007, 06:37 PM

The pattern follows what the APA wrote about in 1998:

"Most hate crimes are carried out by otherwise law-abiding young people who see little wrong with their actions. Alcohol and drugs sometimes help fuel these crimes, but the main determinant appears to be personal prejudice, a situation that colors people's judgment, blinding the aggressors to the immorality of what they are doing. Such prejudice is most likely rooted in an environment that disdains someone who is "different" or sees that difference as threatening."

This statement is reiterated in the following manual. It's a good recource called Preventing Youth Hate Crime.

www.usdoj.gov/crs/pubs/prevyouhatecrim.pdf

My own city (NYC) has a law to deal with Hate Crimes in schools, but our Mayor (who may be running for President) will not inforce it. Activists- both gay and straight- have been trying to get the mayor to do the right thing. We simply have to step up the pressure.

http://www.nysun.com/article/55866

ladyinred

06-17-2007, 06:41 PM

http://www.hatecrime.org/subpages/hatespeech/hate.html Paul Cameron quote:Warning: this site may contain examples of bigotry and prejudice unsuitable for younger visitors.

Pat Robertson

Gays were behind Hitler

"many of those people involved in Adolf Hitler were Satanists, many of them were homosexuals, the two things seem to go together, it is a pathology it is a sickness." - Pat Robertson on TV (I've seen the actual footage) - http://www.pfaw.org/issues/right/rtvw.antigay.shtml

Click here for more Robertson quotes about:

* Gays are appalling
* Gays want to give people AIDS
* Homosexuality leads to decline of civilization
* Entire world will suffer if homosexuality is accepted
* Gays are diseased, depressed, and miserable
* Homosexuality is an anti-social sickness
* Gays are after children
* Homosexuality means God has given up on society
* Lesbians are against motherhood
* Discrimination against gays...
* Homosexuality is "sodomy", repugnant
* Gays want to destroy Christians

Jerry Falwell

God hates homosexuality

"god hates homosexuality" - Jerry Falwell on TV (I've seen the actual footage)

Click here for more Falwell quotes about:

* Gays are perverts
* Gays will crush all Americans

The Family Research Council

Gays will recognize pedophiles as prophets

"...one of the primary goals of the homosexual rights movement is to abolish all age of consent laws and to eventually recognize pedophiles as the 'prophets' of a new sexual order." - "Homosexual Activists Work to Normalize Sex With Boys," FRC publication, July 1999, http://www.frc.org/misc/bl057.pdf

FRC twists facts to portray UK gays as pedophiles

[In an article entitled "Lords Rebuff Pedophiles," FRC conveniently fails to mention that the age of consent for heterosexuals in England is already 16, but for gays it's 18.]

"The British House of Lords on April 13 rejected an attempt to lower the age of sexual consent for homosexuals from 18 to 16. Despite the desperate pleas of a 34-year-old "gay" Labor Party member to lower the age, the Lords voted 222-146 to deny homosexuals' bids to legally have sex with young teens. Labor Party leaders, including Prime Minister Tony Blair, have pledged to override the vote. The Lords last year turned back the same bill by a 274-64 vote." Family Research Council, CultureFacts, May 5, 1999, http://www.frc.org/culture/cu99e1.html

Click here for more Family Research Council quotes about:

* Gays are pedophiles, and want to promote youth promiscuity-
* Columbine killers might be gay-
* Matt Shepard, and gays generally, will not inherit the kingdom of God
* Matt Shepard compared to a drunk
* Gays are deviants-
* Gays hate God-
* Gays think religion is evil-
* Gays oppose Christianity-
* Comparing gay Christians to Satan worshippers
* Homosexuality can kill you
* Gays spit on Jesus
* Lesbians hate men
* Gays think they're exempt from God's rules
* Homosexuality is a "life destroyer" - destroys families, shatters hope
* Gays are diseased, die early, and are less productive than heterosexuals
* This is a "war" against "destructive" homosexuals
* Gays are hateful towards Christians, have exploited Matt shepard
* Gays hurt civil rights movement
* Gays hurt people, families and communities
* Gays threaten religious freedom
* Gays aren't monogamous
* Gays are security risks
* Gays embrace culture of death, risk well-being of all society
* Gays are after children
* More on gays are after children
* Lesbians drink, do drugs, or are hateful
* Lesbians are dysfunctional
* Gays don't like children
* Gays only think about sex
* Gays don't support monogamy, child-rearing, family values
* Lesbianism akin to eating off of the floor
* Gays are after children
* Gays only pretend to oppose pedophilia
* Gays are 33% of child molesters
* Gays commit 80% of child molestations
* More on gays only pretend to oppose pedophilia
* Gay relationships are unpure, perversion of God
* Gays may destroy American family
* Gays are like a gun to the head of America
* Gays oppose monogamy
* Gay parents lead to prison, voyeurism
* Homosexuals in the bedroom
* Gays against home, family
* Gays are about promiscuity, violence
* Gays are tragic misuse of sexuality

Ex-Gay Ministries

Gays are "sexual deviants"

Michael Johnston, head of Kerusso Ministries (an "ex-gay" conversion center): "You know, really, when you think about it -- let me just be blunt here -- when an individual 'comes out' and proclaims their homosexuality, really, what they are doing is standing up and saying, 'I'm a sexual deviant, and I'm proud of it.' " - Oct 16, 96 - Family Research Council Web site, http://www.frc.org/net/st96j3.html

Click here for more ex-gay quotes about:

* Acceptance of homosexuality leads to "death and despair"
* Satan uses homosexuals
* Homosexuality is a "deathstyle"
* Lesbian love is "a lie"
* Lesbians are "broken people" with "a lack of self-worth"
* Gays out to destroy marriage
* Gay rights will bring wrath of God
* Gays need a good "whack"
* Abuse is main cause of homosexuality
* Gay parents are "child abuse"
* Gay cabal controls everything
* Being gay is like drug addiction
* Gays haven't found Jesus
* Gays join devil in attacking family
* Ex-gay "researcher" says gays recruit

Christian Coalition of Maine’s Paul Volle

(Paul Volle, head of Christian Coalition of Maine, published a 16-page anti-gay tirade entitled "The Gay Agenda" in the Portland paper in an effort to influence the November 1998 elections)

Gays ingest urine and fecal matter

"Being frustrated by the biological impossibility of natural sexual relations between members of the same sex, they must resort to bringing their mouth into contact with areas of the body designed for the elimination of human waste, or use body apertures not meant for sexual penetration, either of which causes serious hygienic and health risks. Once these homosexuals bridge the natural reluctance to come into contact with human waste, a significant number of homosexuals go further and further. Many times to the point of ingesting the urine and fecal matter of their partners. This leads to serious health risks to not only them, but the population at large, through the food chain, medical services, and other avenues of society." - - Paul Volle, Chairman, Christian Coalition of Maine, "The Gay Agenda," October 1998 (I have the original of this publication)

Click here for more quotes about Paul Volle, head of the Christian Coalition of Maine:

* Family Research Council lauds Volle
* Portland paper calls publication "despicable….vile….hate literature"
* Portland paper calls publication "16 pages of pure, homophobic hatred"
* Gays have deviant sexual behavior
* Gays chose to get AIDS
* Gays rape children
* Gays are diseased
* Sodomites rights
* Diseased gays endanger children
* Discriminating against gays is "OK"
* Being gay is akin to pedophilia, bestiality, necrophilia
* Gays against commitment, monogamy
* Gays recruit children
* Gays aren’t safe or masculine
* Gays are diseased

Dr. Paul Cameron

(Cameron's now-discredited "research" still provides the basis for most of the anti-gay facts and figures used by the religious right - his work is cited often by the Family Research Council, among many others)

Exterminate gays

"At the 1985 Conservative Political Action Conference, Cameron announced to the attendees, 'Unless we get medically lucky, in three or four years, one of the options discussed will be the extermination of homosexuals.' According to an interview with former Surgeon General C. Everett Koop, Cameron was recommending the extermination option as early as 1983." - Mark E. Pietrzyk, News-Telegraph, March 10, 1995.

Sounds like sound medical research to me.(NOT)

ladyinred

06-17-2007, 06:47 PM

More from the same website,Who Relies on Paul Cameron's data?

Family Research Council - gays are risk to children

"Psychologist Paul Cameron, who has analyzed the most prominent studies of homosexual households, says that they all have severe shortcomings. Nonetheless, even within these biased studies, greater risks to children raised in homosexual households are evident, Cameron notes." - http://www.frc.org/insight/is94e3hs.html

Click here for more quotes from those relying on Cameron, including:

* Family Research Council - gays are pedophiles
* Family Research Council - gays are risk to children
* Ex-gay NARTH's Joseph Nicolosi, Ph.D. - gays are diseased
* Claremont Institute - Gays die early
* American Family Association - gays die young
* Family Research Council - gay parents have sex with their kids
* NARTH's Joseph Nicolosi, Ph.D.
* Family Research Council - gay parents make their kids gay
* Family Research Council - kids of gay parents are hurt
* Family Research Council cites Cameron as an expert
* Family Research Council - gay parents make their kids gay
* Family Research Council - gays die young
* Family Research Council - gays are diseased
* Family Research Council - gay parents cause gay children
* Family Research Council - gays die young
* Family Research Council - gays die young
* Family Research Council - gays die young
* Family Research Council - gays are diseased
* Family Research Council - gays are pedophiles
* Family Research Council - gays are promiscuous

The American Family Association

Gays support pedophilia, incest, and bestiality

"Prominent homosexual leaders and publications have voiced support for pedophilia, incest, sadomasochism, and even bestiality." - http://www.afa.net, Homosexuality in America: Exposing the Myths.

Click here for more American Family Association quotes about:

* Gays recruit children
* Gays give children AIDS
* Moral fall of the human race
* Gays have sex with boys, eat feces, have sex with animals
* Bigoted gays blame Shepard's murder on "Christianity"
* Compare gays to polygamy, incest
* Homosexuality kills young people, destroys families
* Gays and criminals
* Gays want to silence Christians, and blame them for all crimes against gays
* Not natural
* Gays are pro pedophilia
* Gays are against the church
* Gays help decay society
* More societal decay
* Gays compared to serial killers
* Gays are decadent
* Gays should be photographed and outed
* Gays are disgusting and diseased

NARTH
(National Association for Research and Treatment of Homosexuality -
the most prominent ex-gay conversion organization, headed by Joseph Nicolosi, called by the American Family Association "probably the most famous psychologist" who believes gays can change)

Gays cheat, fight, and hate the one they love

"Nicolosi describes gay partnerships as bedeviled by cheating, teasing, fights, jealousy, rage, suspicion, envy, restlessness, and disappointment. Nicolosi writes, ‘Homosexual relationships are so characteristically volatile because the homosexual hates what he loves.’ " - Joseph Nicolosi, head of NARTH and one of the religious right's top two ex-gay psychiatrists in the country, from NARTH's Web site, http://www.narth.com/docs/1996papers/berman.html

Click here for more NARTH quotes about:

* Gay pedophiles are after your children
* Gays "brainwash" America
* Gay movement is like communism and Orwell's 1984

Colorado for Family Values

Gays molest children

"homosexuals, while representing perhaps 2% of the population, perpetrate more than one-third of all reported child molestations."- http://www.qrd.org/qrd/religion/anti/CFV/cfv.report.pt1-03.94

Click here for more Colorado for Family Values quotes about:

* Gay pedophilia is common
* Man-boy sex is encouraged
* Gays support child abuse
* Pedophilia is prevalent
* Pedophilia is a basic part of being gay
* Colorado for Family Values on Paul Cameron
* Gays akin to bestiality

Rev. Fred Phelps
(The Westboro Baptist Church, Topeka, KS -
Phelps gained national attention protesting at Matt Shepard's funeral)

Gays worthy of death

"Not only is homosexuality a sin, but anyone who supports fags is just as guilty as they are. You are both worthy of death (Romans 1:32)," Phelps quoted by State Press (Arizona State University), March 11, 1998.

Click here for more Phelps quotes about:

* God Hates Fags, Matt in Hell
* Jews are money-grubbing sodomites, gays solicit young to sodomy
* Sodomite lifestyle guarantees hell
* Another fag dancer
* "Anal-copulating agenda of Topeka's filthy fag community"
* Gays pose greatest threat to survival of nation
* Faggots

Americans for the Truth About Homosexuality - Peter LaBarbera
(LaBarbera is also an employee at the Family Research Council)

Gays are promiscuous and unnatural

"She ought to tell her young male listeners about the many sexually transmitted diseases linked to unnatural homosexual practices — including AIDS, which Michael Johnston caught while living as a homosexual. She needs to warn them about the homosexual culture of promiscuity and anonymous sex that puts young men at terrible risk." - 10-8-98, news release from Americans for the Truth About Homosexuality, quoting Peter LaBarbera, the organization's head, http://www.americansfortruth.com/Ncod2808.html

Click here for more Americans for the Truth About Homosexuality quotes about:

* Lesbians are violent
* Homosexuality is dangerous
* Gays are extremists, bigots, smear Christians, and against God
* Abe Lincoln would oppose gays
* Gays have contempt for Christianity
* Gays threaten schoolchildren
* Gays are against virtue and God
* Gays lie, are immoral and harmful

Claremont Institute

Compares gays to thieves, liars, drug addicts

"Homosexuals like to argue that, since people are by nature free to choose, the choice of sodomy should be protected, at least as much as any other choice. But the fact that people are free by nature to make choices does not mean that any choice they make is good or that all choices should be equal before the law. Some people choose to steal and to lie. Some abandon their children or their wives or husbands. Some sink into the grip of drugs. Some evade the draft at their country's need, or abandon their duty in the face of battle. These are bad choices, and when they are made, the rest of us must bear part of the cost. These things are wrong in a democracy, as much as they are wrong anywhere else." - From "Homosexuality, Public Health, and Civil Rights", by Daniel C. Palm - Claremont Institute Web site, http://www.claremont.org/miah.cfm )

Click here for more Claremont Institute quotes about:

* Gay civil rights could lead to slavery, cannibalism
* Anal intercourse and children
* Gays are unhealthy and unnatural

Trent Lott

Gays are like alcoholics, kleptomaniacs

"It is [a sin]....You should try to show them a way to deal with that problem, just like alcohol...or sex addiction...or kleptomaniacs." - Senate Republican Leader Trent Lott, Associated Press, June 15, 1998.

Reggie White

Gays are like liars and cheaters

" 'Homosexuality is a decision, it's not a race,' White said. 'People from all different ethnic backgrounds live in this lifestyle. But people from all different ethnic backgrounds also are liars and cheaters and malicious and back-stabbing.' " - Reggie White, Associated Press, March 25, 1998.

Click here for more Reggie White quotes about:

* Gays hurt children, kill our people
* Gays are like backstabbers and malicious people
* "Sodomite community"
* Gays responsible for STDs
* Homosexuality one of the biggest sins
* Gays have problems
* Being gay compared to lying, gays hurt nation
* Offended that gays say deserve rights

Lou Sheldon, Traditional Values Coalition

Gays are like Hitler and Gestapo

"The Rev. Lou Sheldon, president of the Traditional Values Coalition, said the 'hate crime' designation is increasingly going to be applied against those who believe homosexuality is wrong. 'What Hitler began to build against the Jews is now being built against people of faith who believe the Scriptures are valid for today and their injunctions against certain sexual behaviors is correct,' he said. Several years ago, homosexual activists disrupted a similar conference of his in Sacramento, he said, 'but I didn't have the finances to get a lawyer. For a long time we were the target of their wrath. Now other people are surfacing against them, thank God. If you don't agree with [homosexual activists], they use Gestapo tactics to stop you.' - Washington Times, Tuesday, October 27, 1998, Page A2

Click here for more Lou Sheldon quotes about:

* Sheldon for quarantining AIDS patients
* Gays are amoral extremists

Senator Don Nickles

Gays shouldn't represent US

"One might have that lifestyle, but if one promotes it as acceptable behavior… I don’t think they should be a representative of this country." - Sen. Nickles, quoted in Jun 15, 98 Americans for Truth About Homosexuality press release.

Alveda King

Gays want to kill civil rights movement

" 'To equate homosexuality with race is to give a death sentence to civil rights,'' Alveda Celeste King told about 100 people at a rally on the Capitol steps. `'No one is enslaving homosexuals ... or making them sit in the back of the bus.'' '`In California, injustice is being done to family values,' King said. King pointed to openly gay Assemblywomen Carole Migden, D-San Francisco, and Sheila Kuehl, D-Santa Monica, and charged that the Legislature harbors 'forces that want to steal away the civil rights from under our very noses.' "- ASSOCIATED PRESS, August 20, 1997, "MARTIN LUTHER KING'S NIECE DENOUNCES GAY RIGHTS"

Click here for more Alveda King quotes about:

* Alveda equates gays to prostitutes, pedophiles

Republican Party of Texas

Gay Republicans are like the KKK

"Robert Black, the [Texas] state [Republican] party spokesman, called them [Log Cabin] a 'hate group' and compared them to the Ku Klux Klan." [This occurred after Log cabin Republicans (a gay republican group) tried to attend the Texas Republican State convention.] - NY Daily News 6/24/98

US Senator Jesse Helms (R-NC)

Gays are "sickening" and "intellectually dishonest"

"These people are intellectually dishonest in just about everything they do or say,".... He added, "They start by pretending that it is just another form of love. It's sickening." - Tuesday June 30 7:49 AM EDT, Variety

Republican Presidential Candidate
Alan Keyes

Gays cause Nazism, communism

" 'Hitler and his supporters were Satanists and homosexuals. That's just a true statement.' He added, 'The notion that is involved in homosexuality, the unbridled sort of satisfaction of human passions' leads to 'totalitarianism,' 'Nazism,' and 'communism.' " - People for the American Way, "Hostile Climate," 1997, p.26.

Dr. Laura Schlessinger

Gays are deviant, akin to pedophiles & bestiality

"Rights. RIGHTS! RIGHTS? For sexual deviant . . . sexual behavior there are now rights. That's what I'm worried about with the pedophilia and the bestiality and the sadomasochism and the cross-dressing. Is this all going to be 'rights' too, to deviant sexual behavior? It's deviant sexual behavior. Why does deviant sexual behavior get rights? Don't understand that to start out with." - Dr. Laura, June 9, 1999, transcribed by GLAAD, http://www.glaad.org/glaad/eyeonthemedia/drlaura/drlauratranscripts.html#latimes

Click here for more Dr. Laura quotes about:

* Gays are pedophiles
* Gay parents make children gay
* Gay parenting is despicable, unhealthy
* Gay parents are vicious, vulgar, self-serving, ugly
* Gay activism akin to "ethnic cleansing"
* Gay is a deviancy, akin to murder?
* Gays are organized, mobilized, unified, strong and well-funded
* Gays propagandize children
* Gays are deviant, target kids
* Gays are pedophiles
***** Does anyone see what I see, that this type of speech would inspire people to hate and possibly murder gays??????????*******deliberately inflammatory. Does any of this sound like sound objective medical research?????? Simpleman you think Dobson and his ilk are harmless? When they support this type of rhetoric? Comparing Dobson with Greenpeace is like comparing Paris Hilton to Mother Teresa.

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ladyinred

06-17-2007, 07:19 PM

http://www.talk2action.org/story/2007/5/2/155843/5848 And they talk about islamic extremism? That is bad enough. But Christians doing the same thing in the name of God? If it is a crime for foreign terrorists to blow up buildings on our soil ,the same standard should apply to these Christian extremists. The law should apply to them too.

ladyinred

06-17-2007, 09:09 PM

[http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2006/01/11/justice-sunday-fatwa/url](bury critics of the church as they say, with Dobson in the crowd clapping.

http://www.counterbias.com/270.html

ladyinred

06-17-2007, 09:21 PM

http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2006/01/11/justice-sunday-fatwa/ death threats to bury those who criticize the church.Focus on the family helped sponsor the event.in 2006. Below from the article:

“I want to say, first of all, be careful how you fool with the church. You mess around with the church, something stirs up inside of me! You be careful because the church has surviving power. My friends, you know this and know this well. Don’t fool with the church because the church has buried many a critic, and all the critics that we have not buried, we’re making funeral arrangements for them!”

That sounds like an incitement to violence to me. That sounds like a death threat. That sounds frighteningly similar to the fatwas issued by Muslim clerics against their critics, against people like Salman Rushdie.

I think that every secular American deserves an explanation from Reverend Herbert Lusk. I’m a critic of your church, Reverend Lusk. Are you making funeral arrangements for me? Are you issuing a fatwa against me, Reverend Lusk?

Justice Sunday III was not just a gathering of a few disgruntled cranks. The Family Research Council and Focus on the Family, two organizations that are closely allied with the George W. Bush and the top Republicans in Congress, were the sponsors of the large gathering. Republican Senator Rick Santorum was there, listening to Reverend Lusk’s death threat, and clapped along with everyone else.

Now, read that passage again and tell me that there is no threat of theocracy in the United States of America.

Gregory_de_Bois

06-17-2007, 09:43 PM

be decorated with rainbow ribbons and satin banners? I'd love that!!!

Who'd a thunk that gays aren't good enough fighters to be in the armed forces, but we can certainly terrorize the public! Look out, here come men with good fashion sense and women who could beat them up! I'm shaking with terror...:eek::eek::eek:

:love:

Absolutely!

We could take over the world, but we are too nice to do that. Those poor conservatives should have nothing to fear but fear itself (and maybe themselves).

Gregory_de_Bois

06-17-2007, 09:45 PM

I think that Martha Stewart has tips on her site for cell decor and how to do it for just a few do cigarettes.

I so have her website on my list of favourites.:lol::p:D

I love Martha.:love:

Gregory_de_Bois

06-17-2007, 09:46 PM

ladyinred

06-17-2007, 10:06 PM

Dobson attended the event and was clapping when Lusk said it.
Same website,The author says:Two days ago, I wrote about the violent threat made by Reverend Herbert Lusk this week at the Religious Right’s Justice Sunday III gathering. Justice Sunday III had some of the most powerful members of the Religious Right in attendance at Reverend Lusk’s Greater Exodus Baptist Church in North Philadelphia: People like Jerry Falwell, James Dobson, and Tony Perkins, who have the ear of the White House. Many right wing politicians were in attendance too, people like Senator Rick Santorum and Brian Bosma, Speaker of the House in Indiana’s state legislature.

So, it was pretty frightening to consider that all of these powerful Republicans applauded when Reverend Herbert Lusk made a threat of violence against critics of Christianity. Lusk told the audience,

“I want to say, first of all, be careful how you fool with the church. You mess around with the church, something stirs up inside of me! You be careful because the church has surviving power. My friends, you know this and know this well. Don’t fool with the church because the church has buried many a critic, and all the critics that we have not buried, we’re making funeral arrangements for them"

Gregory_de_Bois

06-17-2007, 10:14 PM

Dobson attended the event and was clapping when Lusk said it.

Here's the only reason I'm not afraid of a theocracy anytime soon:

Conservatives are divided on other issues and how to solve them as well. While liberals (sorry for the generalization) can generally find common ground, conservatives are too full of themselves (no offence) to actually find any. If, however, the conservatives were to find some way to unite and completely organize, I would move to another country. I would seriously run away. I would not want to be within 1,000 miles of those United Conservatives. I am equally afraid of the secular left. While I like many of their actions, they sometimes are a little to afraid of religion. Fear is never good: whether conservative or liberal. We need to have some serious bonding time between the secular left and the religious right.

Recently, there was a big forum on Faith and Politics with a huge amount of faith-based groups and some of the Democrat candidates. I think there is hope. It doesn't matter too much to me. I don't find my hope in Government, but in God. I could be a Jedi if there ever were a United Conservative Empire of the North American Continent. I could practice different peaceful martial arts (aikido, tai chi, wu shu, and yoga) and conflict resolution, and adopt a macrobiotic diet (already have:p), That would be kinda' cool. Okay, now my imagination is going full speed.:lol:

progressive4christ

06-17-2007, 10:59 PM

tpdncr4christ

06-17-2007, 11:50 PM

Absolutely!

We could take over the world, but we are too nice to do that. Those poor conservatives should have nothing to fear but fear itself (and maybe themselves).

We so could take over the world!!! And straight men would be forced to take classes that would teach them fashion, and how to get in touch with their feminine sides. And women would learn how to build things, and how to get dirty, rather than be dirty. Ok... so here is our agenda:

1. Be fabulous
2. Take over the world with our fabulousity
3. Preach fabulousity to the unfabulous people
4. Convert everyone to fabulousity

There you have it people, that's the Gay Agenda.

:p;):rolleyes::p:love::love::love:

rainbow7

06-18-2007, 07:20 AM

rainbow7

06-18-2007, 08:11 AM

Simpleman, Judy Shepard has a message for you:

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Antonyh,
Thanks for the link to that incredibly powerful video --
Polly

antonyh

06-18-2007, 10:09 AM

This statement is reiterated in the following manual. It's a good recource called Preventing Youth Hate Crime.

www.usdoj.gov/crs/pubs/prevyouhatecrim.pdf

My own city (NYC) has a law to deal with Hate Crimes in schools, but our Mayor (who may be running for President) will not inforce it. Activists- both gay and straight- have been trying to get the mayor to do the right thing. We simply have to step up the pressure.

http://www.nysun.com/article/55866

Thank you for the info Daniel. I'm going to download it and read it.

antonyh

06-18-2007, 10:14 AM

:eek::'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'( :'(:

The picture of Matthew; that is sick. I think these right wingers have a severe sickness called "NO HEART" and I think they forgot Jesus in their christianity.

hatecrime.org is quite a revelation. I remember visiting there years ago and being overwhelmed by the hate speech from the right.

The thing that urks me is that Christianity includes important teachings about how all people are made in God's image and to love your neighbor as yourself. How do you square that with the hate speech?

Christianity has gone wrong. I hope for a reformation.

Zerbie

06-18-2007, 12:05 PM

The thing that urks me is that Christianity includes important teachings about how all people are made in God's image and to love your neighbor as yourself. How do you square that with the hate speech?

Christianity has gone wrong. I hope for a reformation.

Indeed. I hope so too.

It's only in recent months (a year or two maybe) that I've discovered hatred does not define Christianity.

It has been polluted terribly.

progressive4christ

06-18-2007, 02:40 PM

I am so glad that some people can see beyond the BS of the right when it comes to Christianity. This has bothered me for a long time. I would not call my self a Christian for a while in fear of being associated with them. A lot of right wingers think Gays are anti-God when it is more like anti some of His so called followers. God protect me from your followers and Focus on your own damn family are a couple of my favorite stickers, but afraid to put them on my car; for I live in the south; they will run you off the road for what your stickers may say. I finally got the nerve to put the sticker that is what my forum signature

progressive4christ

06-18-2007, 02:45 PM

hatecrime.org is quite a revelation. I remember visiting there years ago and being overwhelmed by the hate speech from the right.

The thing that urks me is that Christianity includes important teachings about how all people are made in God's image and to love your neighbor as yourself. How do you square that with the hate speech?

Christianity has gone wrong. I hope for a reformation.

...and it is going to take God's little rainbows to make it better; through out the Bible God has always used the outcast to do His good to undo the bad of the "right-wingers" of the times.

Zerbie

06-18-2007, 03:05 PM

I am so glad that some people can see beyond the BS of the right when it comes to Christianity. This has bothered me for a long time. I would not call my self a Christian for a while in fear of being associated with them.

Well until recently I would have done so. That was the definition of Christianity. Whenever I heard someone say "I'm a Christian," I heard them saying that they had no heart for God. What else could they have meant? As a result of having been told those words, I would then avoid that person as much as possible, out of my belief that they were anti-God, which is probably why I almost never got to know any Christians and therefore find out any differently. The few times I did, I explained it away as "they're not Christians."

Those misguided few, they got the association of the word. Can the word be re-associated with its supposed meaning, ever? Possibly. It will be up to more people like you to take the word back.

A lot of right wingers think Gays are anti-God when it is more like anti some of His so called followers. God protect me from your followers and Focus on your own damn family are a couple of my favorite stickers, but afraid to put them on my car; for I live in the south; they will run you off the road for what your stickers may say.

Oh dear. I wonder. . . a few months ago, a man in an SUV attempted to run me in my little Prism off the road. To avoid a serious freeway accident, I had to maneuvre like a race car driver, and even then narrowly avoided plowing head-on into the concrete divider between the freeway and an exit ramp. For days I wondered why someone had tried to kill me. It would be awful to think it was a reaction to the gay rights bumper sticker! Now I wonder. :(

I finally got the nerve to put the sticker that is what my forum signature

Thanks. I got a hearty laugh from that one. :D

BrentRichards

06-18-2007, 03:48 PM

...and it is going to take God's little rainbows to make it better; through out the Bible God has always used the outcast to do His good to undo the bad of the "right-wingers" of the times.

See, this is why I like you. Thanks!

progressive4christ

06-18-2007, 08:44 PM

See, this is why I like you. Thanks!

AHHHH!! your sweet! Thank you!!! :)

ladyinred

06-19-2007, 12:21 AM

Let's not lump and stereotype all Christians as narrowminded, fanatical bigots. There are many Christians who don't agree with the religious right and expose them for the monstrosity of what they are and represent.

I hate to say that about anyone, but when they are so appalling in their morals what can you say? It should concern everyone. They are dangerously misguided, and because of that, they have the power to hurt alot of people, pricisely because they do have the power and influence not only in government but also over their followers.

ladyinred

06-19-2007, 12:35 AM

"Oh dear. I wonder. . . a few months ago, a man in an SUV attempted to run me in my little Prism off the road. To avoid a serious freeway accident, I had to maneuvre like a race car driver, and even then narrowly avoided plowing head-on into the concrete divider between the freeway and an exit ramp. For days I wondered why someone had tried to kill me. It would be awful to think it was a reaction to the gay rights bumper sticker! Now I wonder. "

Zerbie I'm sorry that happened, that was totally uncalled for.That person had to be really sick for doing that.

ladyinred

06-19-2007, 01:06 AM

http://www.theocracywatch.org/chris_hedges_nov24_04.htm

ladyinred

06-19-2007, 05:05 AM

" Zerbie,"Allowing this to go on does terrible things to the youngsters who are taught that gays are somehow sub-human. The poor kid who grows up with virulently homophobic parents, taken to a virulently homophobic church that supports stripping gay people of constitutional rights, is in a terrible situation where all his authority figures (in his understanding, God prominent among them) authorize harming gay people. That is the kid in danger of committing assault on spur of the moment, or with a group of like-minded "friends," going out looking for victims. No, they do not believe what they are doing when they swing that baseball bat is wrong: they have been allowed to believe that gay people are not people and by extension, they think that violence is acceptable"

Zerbie, These parental and church authority figures are doing grievous harm to these kids as well, If they actually go out and commit a crime against someone who is gay, and they go to jail. They are the ones who suffer, their life is basically ruined and so is their future.What does that say about the authorirty figures who helped lead them down that path?

Even if these religious leaders don't agree with the homosexual lifestyle, they are still culpable if they incite people to violence or actually encourage it. Why don't they say to their congregations that although they may not agree with homosexuality, they do not condone or advocate abuse or violence toward the LGBT people? They can't say their hands are clean because they don't say things like that but actually support gay bashing , hate speech and have been silent (Complicit) when acts of violence against gays take place..or have actually encouraged these acts to take place.

They can't say their hands are clean because kids are impressionable and listen to the adult influences in their lives.Remember these kids are taught to obey these authority figures. I think it is child abuse to teach children to hate, because when they go out and do something negative as a result , they will have to bear the penalty of their actions.

ladyinred

06-19-2007, 07:33 AM

http://www.republicoft.com/2007/04/25/the-queer-thing-about-school-shooters-pt-2/

http://www.republicoft.com/2007/04/25/the-queer-thing-about-school-shooters-pt-1
/
These articles will shock you because the majority of kids who were school shooters were taunted, harrassed and teased as gay ( they were straight ) So innocent kids and teachers get killed because of the harrassment and anti-gay rhetoric and abuse. So what does this say ?GAY BASHING IS HELPING TO KILL STRAIGHT KIDS TOO.

I guess when and if the idiot parents wake up along with the leaders in the religious right and see how this is not hurting just LGBT youth but straight youth, then we will probably have more shootings down the line. Murder and death seem a high price to pay for homophobia especially when your child may be the next victim at school who gets shot for other kids teasing and tormenting kids and humiliating them and gaybashing them (Even though they are straight) These shootings are sadly enough a symtom of a much larger social and cultural problem.

The adults and the schools bear much of the responsibility for turning a blind eye and not doing anything about the harrassment and torment that kids endure because of gaybashing and antigay stance they support that allows this to continue. Kids are no longer even safe at school because of the torment and abuse. No one can tell me that all kids don't suffer as a result.

progressive4christ

06-19-2007, 09:44 AM

http://www.republicoft.com/2007/04/25/the-queer-thing-about-school-shooters-pt-2/

http://www.republicoft.com/2007/04/25/the-queer-thing-about-school-shooters-pt-1 (http://%3Cbr%20/%3E%0A%3Cbr%20/%3E%0Ahttp://www.republicoft.com/2007/04/25/the-queer-thing-about-school-shooters-pt-1)
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These articles will shock you because the majority of kids who were school shooters were taunted, harrassed and teased as gay ( they were straight ) So innocent kids and teachers get killed because of the harrassment and anti-gay rhetoric and abuse. So what does this say ?GAY BASHING IS HELPING TO KILL STRAIGHT KIDS TOO.

I guess when and if the idiot parents wake up along with the leaders in the religious right and see how this is not hurting just LGBT youth but straight youth, then we will probably have more shootings down the line. Murder and death seem a high price to pay for homophobia especially when your child may be the next victim at school who gets shot for other kids teasing and tormenting kids and humiliating them and gaybashing them (Even though they are straight) These shootings are sadly enough a symtom of a much larger social and cultural problem.

The adults and the schools bear much of the responsibility for turning a blind eye and not doing anything about the harrassment and torment that kids endure because of gaybashing and antigay stance they support that allows this to continue. Kids are no longer even safe at school because of the torment and abuse. No one can tell me that all kids don't suffer as a result.

Oh, Ladyinred, I concer. I would love to start a crusade to make this more known to many school systems and the parents. My heart is with all the GLBT people, but I am real big on the youth. A few years ago I saw something on bulling in schools; which I find most disturbing. I can only imagine it must be worse for GLBT people. I was wondering about a gay version of Big Brother Big Sister program. Adult Gay mentor for the children. They would dedicate an 1 to 2 hour a week to listen and help them; just be a friend, but I do not want to be excluded, so maybe allow straight allies too. They need someone to look up to that they can trust and depend on in their lives. Irrationality usually surrounds their lives. They need to see hope from those who are now adults and are successful and have been in the same situations. Straight people have been harassed too so they can understand the fear.

progressive4christ

06-19-2007, 11:12 AM

http://www.tolerance.org/index.jsp

BrianB

06-19-2007, 02:46 PM

We so could take over the world!!! And straight men would be forced to take classes that would teach them fashion, and how to get in touch with their feminine sides. And women would learn how to build things, and how to get dirty, rather than be dirty. Ok... so here is our agenda:

1. Be fabulous
2. Take over the world with our fabulousity
3. Preach fabulousity to the unfabulous people
4. Convert everyone to fabulousity

There you have it people, that's the Gay Agenda.

:p;):rolleyes::p:love::love::love:

That would make the world absolutely fabulous!!! There would be no more going straight...only gaily forward. What a fabulous agenda!!:lol::lol::lol::lol:

sjbouza

06-19-2007, 03:34 PM

It's almost like a mob mentality , people rally around these religious leaders as if they are God, and the word of God springs forth from their mouth. They certainly have been calling the shots haven't they? They aren't just disagreeing with the lifestyles of LGBT people they are doing everything in their power to denigrate them and strip them of any rights. They don't seem to mind tormenting or being cruel to LGBT people do they? Or causing harm to them? Where in your holy bible does it advocate doing such things? And the bible holds everyone accountable for the words they speak (Even portraying the mouth as set on fire by the flames of hell) because it says words reflect what is in the heart. You might want to ponder that one a bit. Evidently words have power and carry alot of weight since people are often influenced by them written or spoken.

Ladyinred, I love this part of your post, especially the part that I have highlighted.

SIMPLEMAN, I want you to read the above paragraph and really think about what it has to say. Dont twist it as you so love to do. Read it for what it is. Answer the questions that it has in it. You have no clue about how the things Dobson and his like say affect GLBT people. I hear it from my family everyday. I hear how Dobson says this or Robertson says this. That because they say I am "sick" that must mean that I am sick. Well, I am not sick. I hear this abuse every time I see my family. So you are saying that what they say doesnt affect people. Well sir I say to you (insert whatever profanity you so choose here). You have NO clue. You have irritated me to no end with your "high and mighty" attitude. Not willing to listen to what anyone has to say. You continually twist everything that people say. I will give you this, you would make a wonderful lawyer. You can play with your words very well. I would imagine in a conversation that you can convince pretty much anyone of anything, you are a very good manipulator. However, when you write things in a forum, people have the chance to evaluate what you write and see what you are "really saying". What you are saying is that the lies and crap that Dobson vomits out of his mouth has no affect on people. Just like the lies that were spewed out about blacks in the past never caused any violence towards them. Until you walk a mile in our shoes then sir you have no place to speak on a subject that you know NOTHING about!!!

Done!!!:mad::mad::mad:

ladyinred

06-20-2007, 01:03 AM

And of course the jews before the holocaust. The Nazis had their hate rhetoric convince the German people that the jews were less than human, diseased, anti-social and not human. Think about the impact their words had on the German population , and why it committed genocide of the jews. Jews were "dangerous","a threat to society", "antisocial"(Of course the same thing was said of blacks too. )

Jesus said out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh and that a good man from the goodness of his heart brings forth good, a man with evil intentions (Or an evil heart )brings forth evil." For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. Whatever is in your heart determines what you say,Christ said. In proverbs if I remember correctly it says the tongue and the words coming out of the mouth brings forth life or death. How powerful are words?Jesus said the words I speak to you are from the spirit and they bring life."

ladyinred

06-20-2007, 01:55 AM

http://www.hatecrime.org/subpages/hitler/hitler.html

NAZI ANTI-JEWISH SPEECH
VS. RELIGIOUS RIGHT ANTI-GAY SPEECH:
Are They Similar?

Jews are Covert
Gays are Covert

Jews know how to assimilate
"The Jew has always known how to assimilate his external appearance to that of his host...Under this mask he increased his influence more and more in Aryan nations and climbed to higher-ranking positions. But he could not change his inner being. " - pamphlet handed out at "The Eternal Jew," [url]http://www.holocaust-history.org/der-ewige-jude/stills.shtml

Gays are circumspect
"In the United States, homosexual activists are more circumspect about their efforts to gain access to children...homosexual activists publicly disassociate themselves from pedophiles as part of a public relations strategy"- "Homosexual Activists Work to Normalize Sex With Boys," FRC publication, July 1999, http://www.frc.org/misc/bl057.pdf

Gay rights are covert subterfuge
"Necessarily, much of the U.N. effort to advance homosexual 'rights' has been covert in nature....U.N. proponents of so-called 'gay rights' consequently employ a variety of definitional subterfuges." -
HOMOSEXUALITY IS NOT A "UNIVERSAL HUMAN RIGHT", by Tom McFeely, Family Research Council Web site,
http://www.frc.org/insight/is99a2un.html

Jews And Religion
Gays And Religion

Judaism is "so-called" religion
"their so-called religion" - Nazi propaganda film, "The Eternal Jew," http://www.holocaust-history.org/der-ewige-jude/stills.shtml

Gay Christians are like Satan worshippers
"Religious Right groups went on the attack against President Clinton after Rev. Troy Perry, a gay minister, was included among the 120 religious leaders taking part in an ecumenical breakfast at the White House. Family Research Council's Robert Knight said, 'We are witnessing the Administration's moral meltdown. What's next? A memorial to Church of Satan founder Anton LeVay?' " - People for the American Way Web site, http://www.pfaw.org/news/press//show.cgi?article=903565285

Jews Spread Like a "Tide"
Homosexuality Is Part of a Tide

Jews spread like a "tide"
"They spread from Eastern Europe like an irresistible tide, flooding the towns and nations of Europe - in fact, the entire world." - Nazi propaganda film, "The Eternal Jew," http://www.holocaust-history.org/der-ewige-jude/stills.shtml

Homosexuality is part of a larger "tide"
"Pro-homosexuality activists try to portray the success of their cause as inevitable. But it is not. The churches can stand against the tide of relativism and libertinism in our culture. And they can help to reverse the tide, restoring marriage to its proper place of honor" - People for the American Way Web site, http://cultureandfamily.org/report/2002-03-06/r_pcusa.shtml

War on Jews
War on Gays

Germany declares war on Jews
"Under the leadership of Adolf Hitler, Germany has raised the battle flag of war against the eternal Jew." - Nazi propaganda film, "The Eternal Jew," http://www.holocaust-history.org/der-ewige-jude/stills.shtml

Family Research Council and war on gays
"...wage the war against the homosexual agenda." - From the Web site of Bauer's Family Research Council, which calls homosexuality "destructive", source: Time magazine, Oct 26, 1998.

Annihilate Jews
Exterminate Gays

Annihilate the Jews
"...but rather the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe!" - Nazi propaganda film, "The Eternal Jew," http://www.holocaust-history.org/der-ewige-jude/stills.shtml

Extermination of Gays
"At the 1985 Conservative Political Action Conference, [Dr. Paul] Cameron announced to the attendees, 'Unless we get medically lucky, in three or four years, one of the options discussed will be the extermination of homosexuals.' According to an interview with former Surgeon General C. Everett Koop, Cameron was recommending the extermination option as early as 1983." - Mark E. Pietrzyk, News-Telegraph, March 10, 1995. (FYI - Cameron's now-debunked research forms the foundation of most religious right anti-gay 'studies' - see Mattthew Shepard Online Resources Hate Speech archives for more information on Cameron, and for a listing of religious right organizations that continue to use his faulty research.

Back to Hate Speech home page

ladyinred

06-20-2007, 02:04 AM

The reason why I'm posting this whole thing instead of just leading to the link, is I want this to be in plain view for everyone to see,including the heterosexuals who post on this forum and others who are vistors:Please refer to the website to see Nazi propaganda videos as well:
NAZI ANTI-JEWISH SPEECH
VS. RELIGIOUS RIGHT ANTI-GAY SPEECH:
Are They Similar?

Jews Control Everything
Gays Control Everything

Jews 1% of population: control politics, world opinion, NYC, & have lots of money
"At the beginning of the twentieth century, the Jews sit at the junction of the world financial markets. They are an international power. Although only one per cent of the world's population, with the help of their capital, they terrorize the world stock exchanges, world opinion, and world politics. New York is today the center of Jewish power." - Nazi propaganda film, "The Eternal Jew," http://www.holocaust-history.org/der-ewige-jude/stills.shtml

Gays 1% of population: control politics, have lots of money
"Homosexuals display political control far beyond their numbers. A tiny fraction of the population (about 1 percent), homosexuals have one of the largest and fastest growing Political Action Committees in the country (The Human Rights Campaign) and give millions of dollars to candidates". - Robert Knight, Family Research Council, testifying before the US Senate Labor Committee hearings on S.2238, July 29, 1994.

The gays control television & radio, Hollywood
"You know, the gays are in control in Hollywood; they are in control of television; they are in key positions at the Washington Post now; and they watch everything that is coming into the newspaper or television and radio, and they are editing it out." - Anthony Falzarano, Parents & Friends of 'Ex-Gays', http://www.frc.org/net/st95l1.html

Gays more politically powerful than other Americans
"On average, they [gays] are far wealthier, more educated, and more politically powerful than other Americans." - WHY SCHOOLS ARE TEACHING YOUR KIDS ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY, Steve Schwalm, Family Research Council, May 14, 1998, http://www.frc.org/podium/pd98i1hs.html

Jews Are Richer, More Educated
Gays Are Richer, More Educated

Jews have better jobs, more money
"Fifty-two out of every 100 doctors were Jews. Of every 100 merchants, 60 were Jews. The average wealth of Germans was 810 marks; the average wealth of Jews 10,000 marks." - Nazi propaganda film, "The Eternal Jew," http://www.holocaust-history.org/der-ewige-jude/stills.shtml

Gays have better jobs, more money
"Homosexuals are among the most economically advantaged people in our country. Research by marketing firms shows that as a group homosexuals have higher than average per-capita annual incomes ($36,800 vs. $12,287), are more likely to hold college degrees (59.6 percent vs. 18 percent), have professional or managerial positions (49 percent vs. 15.9 percent..." - Robert Knight, Family Research Council, testifying before the US Senate Labor Committee, July 29, 1994.

Gays are an educated elite
"These life style advantages were enjoyed because gays were much more likely to be college graduates. Fully 60 percent of gays surveyed were college graduates, compared with 18 percent of the general population. This is not the profile of a group in need of special civil rights legislation in order to participate in the economy or to have an opportunity to hold a decent job. It is the profile of an elite. An elite whose insider status has permitted it to abuse the political process in search, not of equal opportunity, but of special privilege and public endorsement." - Joseph Broadus, religious right representative George Mason School of Law, testimony before US Senate Labor Committee, opposing legislation to protect gay Americans from job discrimination, July 29, 1994.

Gays are wealthy extremists
"[gays are] the wealthiest extremists of the amoral left" - Andrea Sheldon of the Traditional Values Coalition, quoted by People for the American Way, "Hostile Climate," 1988, p.9.

Gays have more money & education, live in luxury
"You find survey after survey showing gays are far better off than the general population in terms of college degrees, discretionary income, frequent flyer miles - Virtually every indicator of luxury." - Robert Knight, Family Research Council, testifying before the US Senate Labor Committee, opposing legislation to protect gay Americans from job discrimination, July 29, 1994.

Jews Are Diseased
Gays Are Diseased

Insidious Jews spread disease like rats
"In this way, they (the rats) spread disease, plague, leprosy, typhoid fever, cholera, dysentery, and so on. They are cunning, cowardly, and cruel, and are found mostly in large packs. Among the animals, they represent the rudiment of an insidious and underground destruction - just like the Jews among human beings."- Nazi propaganda film, "The Eternal Jew," http://www.holocaust-history.org/der-ewige-jude/stills.shtml

Disgusting gays are diseased
"The disgusting details of the homosexual lifestyle explain why so many diseases are present in the homosexual community." - American Family Association, http://www.afa.net, Homosexuality in America: Exposing the Myths.

Gays disproportionately diseased
"Homosexuals account for a disproportionate number of America's most serious STD's, including syphilis, gonorrhea, genital warts, and hepatitis A and B." - Family Research Council, http://www.frc.org/insight/is95d1hm.html

Many STDs linked to gays
"the many sexually transmitted diseases linked to unnatural homosexual practices" -10-8-98, news release from Americans for the Truth About Homosexuality, quoting Peter LaBarbera, who is the organization's head and also an employee at the Family Research Council, http://www.americansfortruth.com/Ncod2808.html

Gays more diseased than straights
"Lesbians and homosexual men are 19 times and 14 times more likely, respectively, to have had syphilis than heterosexual men and women" - NARTH's Joseph Nicolosi, Ph.D. (a top psychologist of the "ex-gay" movement), the footnote reads: "P. Cameron, K. Proctor, and W. Coburn, 'Sexual Orientation and Sexually Transmitted Disease,' Nebraska Medical Journal, Vol. 70 No. 8, August 1985, pp. 292-299." - http://www.frc.org/insight/is93g2hs.html

Jews Are Criminals
Gays Are Criminals

Parasitical Jews 1% of population, responsible for most of crime
"This parasitical Jewish race is responsible for most international crime. In 1932, Jews, only 1 per cent of the world's population, accounted for ... 47 per cent of crooked games of chance - 82 percent of international crime organizations - 98 percent of prostitution." - Nazi propaganda film, "The Eternal Jew," http://www.holocaust-history.org/der-ewige-jude/stills.shtm

Gays 1% of population, responsible for 1/3 of child molesters
"Although homosexuals account for less than two percent of the population, they constitute about a third of child molesters." - Family Research Council, "Homosexual Activists Work to Normalize Sex With Boys," July 1999, http://www.frc.org/misc/bl057.pdf

Gays commit over 33% of sex acts with children
"They commit over 33% of the sex acts with children. Of the pupil molestations, homosexual teachers commit as many as 80% of those acts." - Paul Volle, Chairman, Christian Coalition of Maine, "The Gay Agenda," October 1998

Gays practice illegal behavior
"Twenty-one states have laws prohibiting sodomy." - - Robert Knight, Family Research Council, testifying before the US Senate Labor Committee hearings on S.2238, July 29, 1994.

Gays commit 80% of pedophile attacks on boys
"it is estimated that approximately 80% of pedophilic victims are boys who have been molested by adult males." - "Homosexual Activists Work to Normalize Sex With Boys," Family Research Council publication, July 1999, http://www.frc.org/misc/bl057.pdf

Gay lifestyle was criminal
"a lifestyle that just a few years ago was criminal in our country." - - American Family Association ACTION ALERT via email, 4/25/97

Gays are like kleptomaniacs
"It is [a sin]....just like alcohol...or sex addiction...or kleptomaniacs." - Senate Republican Leader Trent Lott, Associated Press, June 15, 1998.

Jews Are Abnormal
Gays Are Abnormal

Jews are abnormal
"The Jew is interested instinctively in all that is abnormal and depraved. He seeks to disrupt the people's healthy judgment." - Nazi propaganda film, "The Eternal Jew," http://www.holocaust-history.org/der-ewige-jude/stills.shtml

Homosexuality is abnormal
"There is no science that shows that homosexuality is anything other than abnormal." - Statement of Robert H. Knight, Senior Director of Cultural Studies, Family Research Council, Board Member, Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays, May 17, 1999, http://www.frc.org/misc/lh99e2hs.html

Gay lifestyle is abnormal
"Ellen [Degeneres] tries to sanitize immorality with a lesbian lead character who is perfectly normal, healthy, and just like everybody else, even as she becomes more and more shrill in promoting an abnormal lifestyle," Leslie Carbone for the Family Research Council, "WILL HOLLYWOOD EVER GET IT?", http://www.frc.org/articles/ar98e2cu.html

Jews Unnatural, Perverted, Pathological
Gays Unnatural, Perverted, Pathology

Jews are unnatural, perverted, pathological
"What he [a Jew] calls 'art' must titillate his degenerate nerves. A smell of foulness and disease must pervade it. It must be unnatural, grotesque, perverted or pathological." - Nazi propaganda film, "The Eternal Jew," http://www.holocaust-history.org/der-ewige-jude/stills.shtml

1) Gays are unnatural
"what are considered unnatural sex acts, sex between members of the same sex." - 700 Club, 12-24-93 (source: People for the American Way Foundation)

"[gays have an] attraction to unnatural acts" - Paul Volle, Chairman, Christian Coalition of Maine, "The Gay Agenda," October 1998.

"homosexuality cannot be natural" - American Family Association, http://www.afa.net, Homosexuality in America: Exposing the Myths.

"the many sexually transmitted diseases linked to unnatural homosexual practices" - 10-8-98, news release from Americans for the Truth About Homosexuality, quoting Peter LaBarbera, who is the organization's head and also an employee at the Family Research Council, http://www.americansfortruth.com/Ncod2808.html

"Abe Lincoln would have regarded homosexual conduct as sinful and unnatural." - news release, Aug 13, 98 - Americans for the Truth About Homosexuality, run by Peter LaBarbera, http://www.americansfortruth.com/LincolnZ.html

"Chief among those lies is the claim that homosexuality is a healthy, natural and fixed 'identity' - as opposed to a harmful, immoral and changeable behavior." - Americans for the Truth About Homosexuality, run by Peter LaBarbera, http://www.americansfortruth.com

"It is abundantly clear that homosexual behavior is unnatural" - Claremont Institute, http://www.claremont.org/pubs/miah.htm

2) Gays are perverted
"what a perversion of God's ideal homosexuality is." - Family Research Council's CultureFacts, June 23, 1999, http://www.frc.org/culture/cu99f4.html

"To throw out morality is to bring in every perversion: Adultery; Homosexuality; Exhibitionism, Incest, Prostitution, Pedophilia, Bestiality, Sadism, Masochism, and Necrophilia." -"The Gay Agenda", published by Paul Volle, Chairman, Christian Coalition of Maine, October 1998

"WBC will picket his memorial service, using the occasion to warn the living that the sodomite lifestyle guarantees Hell. That the Kansas City Star Fag Rag writing tributes, and his fellow perverts dancing and singing in his honor, will not buy one drop of water to cool Leni's tongue where he likely now is." - Religious right Westboro Baptist Church press release, September 28, 1996, on the death of UMKC dancer Leni Wylliams.

At different [sex] parties, I would say, "This is all you guys talk about." Every joke was somehow sexual. Every movement was somehow sexual. There was nothing that was ever talked about that didn't have to do with sex. And I said, "What is wrong with you that you can't think about anything else?" "What else is there?" was invariably the response. Always. It would concern me."- AFTAH Web site interview with Family Research Council's Yvette Cantu, http://www.americansfortruth.org/ycc_interview.htm

Michael Johnston, head of Kerusso Ministries (an "ex-gay" conversion center): "You know, really, when you think about it -- let me just be blunt here -- when an individual 'comes out' and proclaims their homosexuality, really, what they are doing is standing up and saying, 'I'm a sexual deviant, and I'm proud of it.' " - Oct 16, 96 - Family Research Council Web site, http://www.frc.org/net/st96j3.html

3) Gays are a pathology
"The practices of those people is appalling. It is a pathology" - Pat Robertson, 700 Club, 6-6-88 (source: People for the American Way Foundation)

"anal intercourse, sado-masochism, sexual promiscuity, and substance abuse. These pathologies are an integral part of the homosexual lifestyle" - Robert Knight, Family Research Council, "Homosexual Teens at Risk," 1998, http://www.frc.org/fampol/fp98fcu.html

ladyinred

06-20-2007, 02:07 AM

contd:
NAZI ANTI-JEWISH SPEECH
VS. RELIGIOUS RIGHT ANTI-GAY SPEECH:
Are They Similar?

Jews Threaten Children
Gays Threaten Children

Jews think it's ok to murder children
"The Jew Lorre in the role of a child murderer. Not the murderer but the victim is guilty, according to this film, which presents the criminal sympathetically, to gloss over and excuse the crime." - Nazi propaganda film, "The Eternal Jew," http://www.holocaust-history.org/der-ewige-jude/stills.shtml

Gays recognize pedophiles as prophets
"...one of the primary goals of the homosexual rights movement is to abolish all age of consent laws and to eventually recognize pedophiles as the 'prophets' of a new sexual order." - "Homosexual Activists Work to Normalize Sex With Boys," Family Research Council publication, July 1999, http://www.frc.org/misc/bl057.pdf

Undercurrent of pedophilia in gay subculture
"There is a strong undercurrent of pedophilia in the homosexual subculture" - Robert Knight, Family Research Council, http://www.frc.org/insight/is93f1hs.html

Gays support pedophilia
"Prominent homosexual leaders and publications have voiced support for pedophilia, incest, sadomasochism, and even bestiality." - American Family Association, http://www.afa.net, Homosexuality in America: Exposing the Myths.

Gays want to have sex with boys
"This is ultimately about the protection of America's youth from such groups as NAMBLA and militant homosexuals who seek to lower the age of consensual sexual intercourse between homosexual men and young boys to the age of fourteen" - Charles Socarides, on the board of NARTH and the other top 'ex-gay' psychiatrist, from NARTH's Web site, http://www.narth.com/docs/1995papers/socarides.html

Gays seduce young boys
"Practicing sadistic sex and seducing young boys is not uncommon among homosexuals." - Reed Irvine, Accuracy in Media, Dec. 2, 1999.

Gays propagandize to children
"In fact, most mothers are more concerned with protecting their children from homosexual activists, who insist on their supposed 'right' to propagandize young schoolchildren." Jul 12, 98 - Americans for Truth About Homosexuality press release, organization run by Peter LaBarbera, who is also a Family Research Council employee.

Gays seduce children
"The seductions of the homosexual lobby are being brought to your children in your school, and that seduction is followed by destruction." - Steve Schwalm, Family Research Council, WHY SCHOOLS ARE TEACHING YOUR KIDS ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY, May 14, 1998, http://www.frc.org/podium/pd98i1hs.html

Gays want access to children
"Gaining access to children has been a long-term goal of the homosexual movement." - "Homosexual Activists Work to Normalize Sex With Boys," Family Research Council publication, July 1999, http://www.frc.org/misc/bl057.pdf

Gays want to steal innocence from children
"There are those in our school systems that say the homosexual has every right to influence our children. Why, let them steal the innocence of our children?" - Paul Volle, Chairman, Christian Coalition of Maine, "The Gay Agenda," October 1998

Jews Threaten Christians
Gays Threaten Christians

Jews consider Christians 'heathens', want destroy them
"What does the ancient Talmud law teach? Let us hear some quotes....[now supposedly quoting the Talmud] Praise to the Lord who has set apart the holy Israelites from other people. The heathen, who do not keep the law, will be destroyed." - Nazi propaganda film, "The Eternal Jew," http://www.holocaust-history.org/der-ewige-jude/stills.shtml

Gays oppose religion
"Militant homosexuality is fundamentally opposed to religion, family, and anything that presupposes a natural moral order, a transcendent God, or something else higher than ourselves. The activist homosexual agenda and worldview are fundamentally incompatible with Christianity or any form of true religion, because homosexuality is ultimately narcissism" - THE ASSAULT ON CHRISTIANS BY THE MILITANT HOMOSEXUAL MOVEMENT, by Steven A. Schwalm, Family Research Council, http://www.frc.org/podium/pd98j2hs.html

Gay lobby smears Christians
"the [gay rights lobby] Human Rights Campaign -- that smears faithful Christians and Americans of all faiths" - news release, Sept 18, 98 - Americans for the Truth About Homosexuality, http://www.americansfortruth.com/goregala.htm

Gays want to outlaw religion, think it's evil
"Religion is treated as irrelevant or downright evil. Homosexual books, magazines, and newspapers are filled with bitter and often obscene denunciations of religion in general and Christianity in particular. One activist calls for the outlawing of churches that disapprove of homosexual conduct. Another carefully outlines an advertising campaign that equates Christian clergy with Nazis and Klansmen. Homosexual stage performers dress up in clerical garb and commit obscene acts. A gay rights cartoonist depicts Christ having anal intercourse with His cross. These are not isolated examples from an otherwise gentle and loving literature. The attitude pervades the homosexual movement and is an essential part of their ideal curriculum." - Family Research Council, THE HOMOSEXUAL AGENDA IN SCHOOLS, by Robert H. Knight, http://www.frc.org/insight/is93f1hs.html

Gays don't love God, hate religion
"[Homosexuality] is the opposite of love for God. It is a rebellion against God and God's natural order, and embodies a deep-seated hatred against true religion." - THE ASSAULT ON CHRISTIANS BY THE MILITANT HOMOSEXUAL MOVEMENT, by Steven A. Schwalm, Family Research Council, http://www.frc.org/podium/pd98j2hs.html

Gays have contempt for Christians
Gay people have] "Contempt for Orthodox Christianity" - Jun 15, 98, Americans for Truth About Homosexuality press release, http://www.americansfortruth.com/Julaug~1.htm

Gays want to silence Christians, blame them
"the real motivation behind such hate crime laws is to silence Christians. Gays will now feel free to blame any crime against a homosexual on Christians" - America Family Association ACTION ALERT via email, 10/16/98

Gays spit on Christ
"Homosexual activists who once asked for tolerance now show no tolerance or sympathy for Christians whose sacred symbols they defile. They are totalitarians who accuse everyone that disagrees with them of "hatred." Even as they masquerade under the banner of tolerance, they spit on the most sacred Person revered and worshipped by millions. They mock our religious symbols, deride our beliefs, and even desecrate our churches and sacraments. " - THE ASSAULT ON CHRISTIANS BY THE MILITANT HOMOSEXUAL MOVEMENT, by Steven A. Schwalm, Family Research Council, http://www.frc.org/podium/pd98j2hs.html

Gays undercut churches
"homosexuals seek to undercut the social authority of churches" - American Family Association, http://www.afa.net, Homosexuality in America: Exposing the Myths.

Gays want to give churchgoers AIDS
"[Homosexuals]want to come into churches and disrupt church services and throw blood all around and try to give people AIDS and spit in the face of ministers." Pat Robertson, 700 Club, 1/18/95 - People for the American Way Web site, http://www.pfaw.org/issues/right/rtvw.antigay.shtml

Jews Are Like Rats
Gays Are Like Rats

Jews are like rats
"Wherever rats appear they bring ruin, by destroying mankind's goods and foodstuffs. In this way, they (the rats) spread disease, plague, leprosy, typhoid fever, cholera, dysentery, and so on. They are cunning, cowardly, and cruel, and are found mostly in large packs. Among the animals, they represent the rudiment of an insidious and underground destruction - just like the Jews among human beings." - Nazi propaganda film, "The Eternal Jew," http://www.holocaust-history.org/der-ewige-jude/stills.shtml

Gays are like rats
"Homosexuals, like rats, are crawling out of their holes, only to be fed lovingly by church people and politicians." - The 13th, right-wing Catholic newspaper in Austria.

Gays are like rats
"They are like rats, skulking in their closets, copulating in mad frenzies, unable to control their appetites, sniffing around the doors of school classrooms for fresh prey. Young prey. They are perverts and hedonists and will make fine kindling in Hell. But before then, before God gives them what they really deserve, they must be stopped here on Earth." - Fundamentalist TV preacher, quoted in "The Gay Agenda: Talking Back to the Fundamentalists."

Jews and the Bible
Gays and the Bible

Jews violate the Bible
"For example, in Deuteronomy it is written: 'Unto a foreigner thou mayest lend upon usury, but unto thy brother thou shalt not lend upon usury.' " - Nazi propaganda film, "The Eternal Jew," http://www.holocaust-history.org/der-ewige-jude/stills.shtml

Gays are a big sin in Bible
"White, the Green Bay Packers defensive lineman who retired and unretired last week, used ethnic stereotypes and called homosexuality 'one of the biggest sins' in the Bible in his remarks last month" - ASSOCIATED PRESS, April 26, 1998

Gays worth of death, say Bible
"Not only is homosexuality a sin, but anyone who supports fags is just as guilty as they are. You are both worthy of death (Romans 1:32)," Rev. Fred Phelps quoted by State Press (Arizona State University), March 11, 1998.

ladyinred

06-20-2007, 02:43 AM

Now what kind of impressions does the above leave on the mind of the reader.I actually had to stop reading what was written and said about the jews,it almost turned my mind around.I was beginning to start having negative thoughts about jewish people as a result. (And I have never had bad feelings or hatred of jewish people)It seems this can warp any mind to prejudice and hate, if heard ,read and repeated enough.

progressive4christ

06-20-2007, 10:49 AM

Gregory_de_Bois

06-20-2007, 12:57 PM

...and little does that preacher know when quoting rom. 1:23 neither the verses above and beneath say any thin about gays.This whole chapter Rom.chapter 1 is about rejecting God. The sex part seems to me ambiguous.

Not to mention the fact that it was a drug and alcohol infested orgy. I mean seriously. They must not know any gays or lesbians to think they all go to orgies every night.

Daniel

06-20-2007, 01:53 PM

Not to mention the fact that it was a drug and alcohol infested orgy. I mean seriously. They must not know any gays or lesbians to think they all go to orgies every night.

Only on Saturday's. ;) :eek::lol:

Gregory_de_Bois

06-20-2007, 02:18 PM

Only on Saturday's. ;) :eek::lol:

Oh, I thought it was "Orgy Tuesday." That had more of a ring to me.:D

ladyinred

06-20-2007, 10:51 PM

Orgies? Who said orgies? I never been to one.LOL:lol::rolleyes:

Gregory_de_Bois

06-21-2007, 07:40 PM

Orgies? Who said orgies? I never been to one.LOL:lol::rolleyes:

Well, technically all an orgy is is an excess of pleasure, although it generally refers to sexual pleasure. I have never been to a sexual orgy, or participated in one rather. And I plan on never doing so.

ladyinred

06-22-2007, 03:54 AM

I've personally not ever been invited to one nor have I ever participated in the worship of Golden calves.:lol::lol::lol:

BrentRichards

06-22-2007, 07:42 PM

Well, technically all an orgy is is an excess of pleasure, although it generally refers to sexual pleasure. I have never been to a sexual orgy, or participated in one rather. And I plan on never doing so.

I've personally not ever been invited to one nor have I ever participated in the worship of Golden calves.:lol::lol::lol:

You guys are going to "ruin" our "reputation" with these kind of admissions.

simpleman

06-25-2007, 12:51 PM

They don't seem to mind tormenting or being cruel to LGBT people do they?
They being those who commit acts of violence, or they being James Dobson? Because those who commit acts of violence do not mind tormenting and being cruel to LGBT people. James Dobson does not wish to torment or be cruel, nor do I believe that he condones violence. The references comparing Dobson to Hitler was what I was talking about. Hitler used his rhetoric to justify his own ordered killing of Jews. Dobson uses his rhetoric to justify keeping gays out of churches, away from children, and keeping them from marrying. I think that these are two different things, but maybe I'm wrong.

Or causing harm to them? Where in your holy bible does it advocate doing such things?
It doesn't. That said, I don't think that James Dobson advocates violence. This is not a defense of his methods, but again I don't think it's fair to place him in the same strata as Hitler.

And the bible holds everyone accountable for the words they speak (Even portraying the mouth as set on fire by the flames of hell) because it says words reflect what is in the heart. You might want to ponder that one a bit. Evidently words have power and carry alot of weight since people are often influenced by them written or spoken.

Yes, I know. I understand all this. People are influenced by many words, written or spoken. Take radical Muslims and the Koran. The words of the Koran, over the years, have caused many a Muslim to kill people in the name of Allah, using suicide bombs, airplanes, guns, fire, etc. Does this make Muhammed evil? Sure, people have killed in the name of the religion that he founded, but was that his intent? Is Muhammed an evil man because some of his teachings tend to advocate violence, such as 'kill all infidels'? I don't disagree that some hate crimes probably stem from anti-gay rhetoric, but it probably comes from some of the more Fred Phelps-esque rhetoric, not from James Dobson.

tpdncr4christ

06-25-2007, 02:48 PM

Yes, I know. I understand all this. People are influenced by many words, written or spoken. Take radical Muslims and the Koran. The words of the Koran, over the years, have caused many a Muslim to kill people in the name of Allah, using suicide bombs, airplanes, guns, fire, etc. Does this make Muhammed evil? Sure, people have killed in the name of the religion that he founded, but was that his intent? Is Muhammed an evil man because some of his teachings tend to advocate violence, such as 'kill all infidels'? I don't disagree that some hate crimes probably stem from anti-gay rhetoric, but it probably comes from some of the more Fred Phelps-esque rhetoric, not from James Dobson.

Do not assume every post is directed towards you. To assume is to make an ass out of u and me. Don't do it. Move on with your life. Go worship JD somewhere else.

Daniel

06-25-2007, 03:35 PM

A famous New Yorker Magazine cartoon some years ago. The caption to two people talking at a cocktail party with one person saying:

"Enough about me. What do you think of me?"

ladyinred

06-26-2007, 01:33 AM

Simpleman ,But the paranoid rhetoric of Dobson does in it self speak of violence not the same as killing or murdering anyone ,true, nor would I personally compare him to Hitler.But I want you to understand that LGBT people are not less human and advocating keeping them out of churches, out of jobs and trying to undermine civil rights for them, what does that in truth achieve for LGBT people? When he says LGBT people are tying to undermine heterosexual marriages and families. It this true? How have they managed to do so? My personal belief is they can't.

You might want to read my posts on the art of communication. And posts on comparing the rights rhetoric and Nazi Germany's rhetoric of the jewish people and see if there aren't similarities? I also would ask you to take some time to read some literature about ex gay ministries. I think you might learn alot about LGBT people and their struggles. I'll post it here and I do hope you read it, thanks.http://www.hrc.org/Template.cfm?Section=Home&CONTENTID=31569&TEMPLATE=/ContentManagement/ContentDisplay.cfm. I would ask you to read this with an open mind and heart and understand that these peoples stories are of their own personal experiences in trying to change who they were and why it didn't work. You might understand alot more then about the personal struggles of LGBT people and why they are advocating acceptance from the larger community.

ladyinred

06-26-2007, 03:37 AM

Simpleman I want to propose a little experiment here. If you are a willing participant , I would ask you to do this. Lay aside everything you think you know and believe about gay people. Get to know them, see what they think . Get into their shoes to speak and then tell me what you have concluded then from those experiences. Tell me then if you've change your mind or if you reach any new conclusions as a result of doing do. How long this takes will be totally up to you.If you don't feel any differently then you can state so, but remember this is just an experiment, you are like the objective scientist, you are wanting to learn more about something or someone.

Here is what I'd also like to ask you to do Simpleman if you are willing. Right now put aside this debate of who is right and wrong and again just get to know people here, let them know something about you as well. What are your interests? Passions , hope and dreams? Just allow for these experiences.What do these experiences and interactions tell you about other people and your interactions with them. How do you relate to them by trying to get to know them better?What would you like to know about them? Remember this is an experiment, so you must stay open and objective.Many of us would be curious to know more about you since you say so little about yourself.

Do you plan to be a lawyer? Are you dating? Are there things you enjoy doing? Do you have a busy schedule? Do you work or go to school? Do you belong to a church or other organizations? Do you have pets?Feel free to share within your own comfort zone. No one is forcing anything here or asking you to share more than what you feel comfortable with revealing about yourself.. It can just be simple chit-chat .Perhaps sharing a favorite song or movie or even a joke for example. There are no rules to the conversations you have here with other people other than to be respectful and to consider their view points and what they may want to share with you.. You might want to ask them things like what they are doing with their lives, whether they go to school, if they have kids , what they like, for an example and it doesn't even have to be anything about them having to be gay. The whole experience here is to learn about people.

I haven't read all the posts about you. So I have little to go on here.