The totally uncool "Cool" Church

[nmwolfboy]

The Arizona Daily Star covered a story (http://www.azstarnet.com/dailystar/190018) yesterday about the Tucson Community Church (http://www.thecoolchurch.com/index2.html), which pomotes an FoF stance toward homosexuality (http://www.thecoolchurch.com/homsexual.html). What's really ironic is that this church bills itself as "the cool church", a hip (does anyone really still use the word hip, other than in reference to hip-hop?) church.

This mindset is like a bad weed. Keeps cropping up everywhere, hurting glbt people, shuttering the minds of Christians to God's radical Grace and the diversity of God's Creation. Oy.

Here's a link to Wingspan (http://www.wingspan.org/), the glbt community center that's mentioned in the Daily Star article.

This morning i'm too annoyed by the "cool church" to think clearly, let alone non-violently. Plus i gotta get my butt in gear to get ready for work & not be late. But i wanted to get the word out about the damaging misinformation & propaganda these folks are spreading. What do y'all think we should do?

Pax :dove:

scott

[andrewlittle]

Yet, another one. Pretty boy poser, anyone.

A church - another one - that seems to be wrapped up in business-like trappings of success measured in numbers and, no doubt, dollars. Walmart religion at its finest.

As to his message, who knows what he believes. One trait of consumerist churches is that they advertise to the prurient interests of the customers they seek to attract. Homophobia sells - obviously - and it tends to generate significant donations from those whose fears are most irrational.

[BrentRichards]

The Arizona Daily Star covered a story (http://www.azstarnet.com/dailystar/190018) yesterday

Nice story ... don't let them get away with crap!


about the Tucson Community Church (http://www.thecoolchurch.com/index2.html), which

Retch. This is so disgusting at so many levels ... "we think God is 'way cool'" ... "God's principles that we have in the Bible are cool" ... cool ... cool cool ... now that's some seriously good theology. Retch.

How about this: "All of our music is original, written by myself and Pastor Toby, with over 50 songs and 4 CDs completed. Our talented band plays at all 4 of our weekend services, and when you add our light show and projection screens to the mix, they have a very cool concert feel about them." Translation: Check us out, huh? RETCH!

"I wanted to do church in a different way" ... How many times can I retch in one sentence ... I wanted ... do church ... in a different way (but just like every other sellout megachurch in the country...


pomotes an FoF stance toward homosexuality (http://www.thecoolchurch.com/homsexual.html).

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! How can they post this with a straight (!) face? Citing Family Research Institute, Dobson, and the like as their scientific authorities. RETCH!

This mindset is like a bad weed.

Yeah, well somebody there got ahold of some bad weed, that's for sure.

What do y'all think we should do?

Pray for a sinkhole to swallow the church? Nah, guess not.


Gee, now I'm off my lunch. Well, probably not, but close.

[Zerbie]

:sick::sick::sick:

And this is in Tucson? :mad:

Sigh. I have PMS. I better not say any more today.

[Dash]

From the newspaper article:

Church member Rinehart said his feelings toward gays and lesbians are hurt and sadness.

"They don't realize the destructive lifestyle they are living," he said.

"Money, sex, drugs, stealing, killing, prostitution — you name it. We all have problems. We all sin. Jesus told us we can't be perfect. That's why we need him."

One wonders why queer folk, finding so many untruths and misperceptions being promulgated by such Churches, would ever respond positively to their call to Jesus.

:disagree:

[BrentRichards]

If you really want to go wild, follow some of the links off this story:

http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/07/02/507

Some of the citations on "cool church's" diatribe are from Paul Cameron, noted whacko-posing-as-scientist (The article above points to Cameron's willing association of his views with some of those of the Nazi regime). I was particularly interested to find that Warren Throckmorton (hardly a gay-rights activist ... he has developed a therapy for people seeking "change") has publically taken Cameron to task and has distanced himself from NARTH. Hmmm....

[BrentRichards]

From the newspaper article:



One wonders why queer folk, finding so many untruths and misperceptions being promulgated by such Churches, would ever respond positively to their call to Jesus.

:disagree:

This very question was a BIG factor in my ultimate shift of mind/heart ... I knew the answer too well: NObody's listening!

[Gregory_de_Bois]

I love (hate?) how they quote Kirk and Madsen's "After the Ball", our apparent agenda. They quote that unbelievably too much over at the CARM forums. I mean seriously, I had NEVER heard of the book until recently, and it is all apparently about my agenda. They smell like a bottle of poo from a dying llama.

[BrentRichards]

I love (hate?) how they quote Kirk and Madsen's "After the Ball", our apparent agenda. They quote that unbelievably too much over at the CARM forums. I mean seriously, I had NEVER heard of the book until recently, and it is all apparently about my agenda. They smell like a bottle of poo from a dying llama.

Exactly ... but one of "those gays" wrote it (well, two, but we're two for one anyway) so it must be what all of them think. I heard of the book today, from this link. Next.

And please, be nicer to llamas.

[BruceChris]

And they were repeatedly telling their audience that the average life expectancy of a gay man or woman is 42 years. I made the comment to a nearby campus newspaper reporter that they seemed to be trying to be telling me that I have been dead for 15 years.

Well, they quoted me, and printed it. Made life a little more interesting, at least for a while.

Peace and Love, Bruce Chris

[Gregory_de_Bois]

Exactly ... but one of "those gays" wrote it (well, two, but we're two for one anyway) so it must be what all of them think. I heard of the book today, from this link. Next.

And please, be nicer to llamas.

I am nice to llamas, but I mean they probably don't have very good smelling poo, especially when they are dying. It's a fact of life, or death rather.

[BrentRichards]

And they were repeatedly telling their audience that the average life expectancy of a gay man or woman is 42 years. I made the comment to a nearby campus newspaper reporter that they seemed to be trying to be telling me that I have been dead for 15 years.

Well, they quoted me, and printed it. Made life a little more interesting, at least for a while.

Peace and Love, Bruce Chris

HAHAHAHAHA! This is great! Way to go, Bruce!

[RedneckDyke]

money sex drugs? I personally don't have much money. I don't do drugs. And right now, since my partner is way working as a travel nurse, I got no sex either.

It always makes me laugh to hear people talk about our "lifestyle"
If they only knew how boring my lifestyle really is.:)

[sailaway58]

Interestingly I know several heterosexuals that behave badly. I never thought about banning heterosexuality because of their destructive lives.

[Renaissancefan98]

Well a Pox on their house.

[Tim Edwards]

Is the same Cool Church that was started by David McAllister, Senior Pastor and Founder of the Tucson Community Church??

If so, I was a member of his church back in Kalamazoo, MI before he came to Tucson.

The guy.....is a total wack job. Very into himself, his looks and is very intolerent of anyone who disagrees with him. Probably the most vain pastor of one of these high tech seeker churches I have met. If you want to continue this, I would be more than happy to answer any questions.


Tim