Evangel College

[Daniel]

Hello,

I am new to this forum after watching of SoulForces's work over the past few years from afar here in NYC. It goes without saying that the work you are doing is much needed.

In 1981, I graduated from Evangel College (now Evangel University), an Assembly of God Liberal Arts College in Springfield MO. My junior year (I was a music education major), four seniors were expelled a few weeks before graduation because they were seen in the parking lot of a gay bar. Or course, I was in the closet at the time. It took me 4 more years to start to come to grips with my sexuality. Nothing prepared me for the process I went through, which was- metaphorically speaking- a 'fiery furnace'. Everything thought or belief I had had to be looked at and considered anew. I think myself blessed for having had this experience. And now, looking back, I understand (with some irony and humor) why Jean-Paul Sarte once remarked that "Hell is other people!"

Over the years since I graduated, I've been in touch with four other men that I sang with in Evangel's Concert Choir who are openly gay. We're all thriving and making the most out of our lives and loves. To a man, the AG church has not been welcoming: we have had to find our own place in matters of faith. Perhaps this will change for this current generation with efforts like the Equality Ride. I might not have come and talked to you if you had visited my campus back in 1981, but it would have given me secret hope.

Regards- Daniel

[schoolboi]

Glad you are here! I almost went to Evangel. My youth pastor growing up went there. I grew up AG myself. Hope you post more!

Corey H

[SolInvictus]

Welcome Daniel and glad you are here.

Yes, being gay & Christian, we go through our struggles, but can and do find success & peace. Attached is an article I published some time ago & perhaps it will offer some comfort.

[Zerbie]

Hello Daniel and welcome. Thanks for coming over and saying hello - look forward to more from you.

I can't imagine what it would be like growing up in a strict religious atmosphere, period, as so many on these forums have. I had a hard enough time knowing I was bisexual just in the secular world. When I was in college in the mid-90s, I didn't dare talk to the "gay activists," because I was was kind of scared of them, or rather - of being associated with them, as much as I held them in awe from a distance. It tickles me pink that now I identify so comfortably as an activist, as little as I am doing. But I am glad for the Equality Ride if even one closeted or questioning young person finds some comfort or inspiration from their presence on campus.

[Daniel]

Thank you for the gracious welcome!

Zerbie- I didn't grow up AG, thought I did become so when I was 15- my older siblings became converted after a rather disasterous encounter with a ouija board and other psychic happenings. This brought the AG experience into my family dynamic and I fell in with line with it, spoke in tongues et al. Still can. What this means in the big scheme of things is beyond my understanding- I must confess. Dealing with my sexuality has meant putting such things in perspective. That is not to say that I don't believe that such things have no meaning, but rather that I don't subscribe to the meaning that others may assign to such things. Being gay can seem rather unworldly in a way! As unworldly as speaking in tongues. Both, it seems to me, are what they are and defy left brain logic for the most part.

I salute you on your journey! Coming into one's own- it seems to me- is a life long journey worth taking.

[Jennifer5]

Welcome Daniel! Glad to have you here and I hope you will get involved in this community.... it's one you can always depend on in though times:love:

[Vanessa White]

First of all, glad to have you here, part of what I think is a remarkable group of supportive persons. I like what you have to say about the meaning of things (such as speaking in tongues) to ourselves vs. what they may mean to others. I also think that is important and essential to having a healthy self-concept. Peace to you and again, Welcome!

[DoofSFNYC]

Hello Daniel and welcome to the forums. I wanted to reply specifically to what you said about watching Soulforce "from afar" while living in NYC... as you may have already found out, there *is* in fact a local NYC Soulforce group and we meet monthly (next meeting is next Tues, actually), and we're doing a TON of stuff, especially with the Equality Ride coming to West Point. Let me know if you want more info... and again, welcome and thanks for sharing your more "Evangelistic" perspective!

[Daniel]

Strange to say, but since I posted my first message a few days ago, I had lunch with a fellow Evangel Grad who I have not seen since I graduated 25 years ago. He is straight and married with a 10 year old daughter. Unusually, we are both classical musicians- an odd thing seeing that most Evangel graduates ended up in either music education or church music. It was a joy to see him. He had his Carnegie hall debut last night.

I've been in touch with 4 other gay graduates of Evangel this past year (we all sang in Concert Choir), all of whom aren't having much to do with the denomination of the school. They all got the boot as soon as they came out. I often imagine dozens of gay men sitting in my seat in the back row- a figurative position that will only change with efforts like the Equality Ride.

[DoofSFNYC]

that's definitely how I imagine generations of young gay catholic men, in the seminaries, where, because they have to be celibate, it's much easier to be closeted, at least officially. I honestly used to get worried about finding a nice catholic boy cause i figured all the nice gay ones went to seminary! luckily the Vatican is kicking them all out (i'll be at the doors with a fishing net...) but also I've been able to broaden my idea of what a good mate would be... although I do think there's alot to be said for sharing the same religious upbringing with your partner.

[Daniel]

You've given the phrase "fishers of men" a whole new meaning.

My beloved is a refugee from the catholic church. The story of his confirmation is telling: he started up the aisle on his knees thinking he heard the go-a-head and looked back to see that no one was behind him. Being a good boy, and recalling the rules of the road, he went all the way up the altar, made a U-turn and came back just in time to see a habited nun faint. Not an auspicous beginning.

[Daniel]

I've been sticking my toe in the waters of SoulForce for a very short time- reading the boards, seeing what is being said and not said, getting the lay of the land and trying not to embarrass myself too much.

What I would like to say is this: I am very glad that a place like this exists. This forum, and what it represents, is so needed right now. And I am in awe of those in the Equality Ride. What they are working to accomplish is truly heroic.

[Zerbie]

:eek:

Heavens, you haven't done anything of the sort!

I for one have greatly appreciated your posts - took some inspiration from your reminders about taking 20 minutes a day to quiet the mind chatter.

Thanks for being here. Please feel welcome to come back and post more often.

:love:

[schoolboi]

Glad you are here and enjoying the board! You are a blessing!

[Daniel]

As some who had been out of fundamentalism for a good many years, its been a real eyeopener for me to see the level of dialogue, and who, in fact, is engaging in dialogue these days.

It is heartening to see that a younger and- it should be noted- more open and 'comfortable in their skin' generation making its mark. This restores my faith in the most fundamental of matters: the Truth of Love.

When I left the AG 25 years ago, there wasn't any movement to take the issue of gay rights to close minded (dare I say that?) churches via direct action- everyone I knew was caught up in the AIDS crisis and just trying to dodge the bullet and take care of the dying.

The founders of SoulForce have created something big here.

[MarkDavid]

Hey Daniel,

Thanks for posting. My daughter graduated from Evangel a couple of years ago. I was in the closet (obviously) when I married her mom. I attended the reception for Soulforce equity ride in Dallas last night. I was very proud of the young people on the tour. If Soulforce had been around when I was in college I might have come out earlier and prevented a lot of heart ache for me and my family.

MarkDavid

[keltic63]

Hey Daniel,

Thanks for posting. My daughter graduated from Evangel a couple of years ago. I was in the closet (obviously) when I married her mom. I attended the reception for Soulforce equity ride in Dallas last night. I was very proud of the young people on the tour. If Soulforce had been around when I was in college I might have come out earlier and prevented a lot of heart ache for me and my family.

MarkDavid

but then, you wouldn't have the family that you have now, would you? I came out late too. I have 3 kids and every time I think about the problems that would have been prevented if I would have come out sooner, and had not gotten married, I am reminded that I also would not have the 3 precious gifts that I have as a result of that marriage. I believe that things work out as they should, for reasons that we may never know. Welcome to the forums MarkDavid.

[Daniel]

Hey MarkDavid,

Great to hear from you!

Wow! Your daugther graduated from Evangel recently. And I really 'get' your comment about coming out earlier. I wish I could have done that myself: I was in a 'coma' for years.

I really think things are changing- abet- slowly within the AG. I've had some contact recently with former -and straight- classmates who seem to be open in a way that surprises even them. It this a sign of things to come? I don't know, but it gives one hope.

Would like to hear of your experience...

Keltic63 makes an astute point about the way things work out. The words of the poet Gilbran come to mind here: "And think not you can direct the course of love, for love, if it finds you worthy directs your course."

Peace to you,

Daniel

[Zerbie]

Saying hello and welcome to Mark David. You've found an open and friendly place. Pleased to meet you.

:)

[MarkDavid]

Thanks for your comments. I have been out for awhile and am very active in the gay community in Dallas. I attend the Cathedral of Hope which has the largest GLBT congregation of any church in the world. There are a lot of people there who grew up in conservative evangelical churches. I also sing in the gay men's chorus which is like totally cool.

[Daniel]

There are a lot of people there who grew up in conservative evangelical churches. I also sing in the gay men's chorus which is like totally cool.

Sing on Brother!

You know, that's one thing I can envision for a future Equality Ride: a concert tour of colleges. GLBT folk singing, meeting and creating dialogue with evangelical church folk.

What do you think?

[Jennifer5]

I think that would be great.... it would definatly get people to listen, they wouldn't be able to help it:)

[Zerbie]

That sounds like a great idea. - it would be a way of connecting sincerely, as worshippers. I like it a great deal.

[RickinNY]

Hi Daniel!

My nephew just graduated from Evangel last week... and I have another nephew in the AG seminary there in Springfield... and their brother is at ORU. I'm just sure at least one of them must be gay - lol.

I graduated from Houghton College in NY state - and have enjoyed the ongoing process of meeting out, gay classmates over the years.

My partner Leroy (who attended a Nazarene College) and I live in Buffalo, NY - not far from you. We visit Toronto regularly. What a great city!!

Peace -

Rick

[Daniel]

Hi Daniel!

My nephew just graduated from Evangel last week... and I have another nephew in the AG seminary there in Springfield... and their brother is at ORU. I'm just sure at least one of them must be gay - lol.

I graduated from Houghton College in NY state - and have enjoyed the ongoing process of meeting out, gay classmates over the years.

My partner Leroy (who attended a Nazarene College) and I live in Buffalo, NY - not far from you. We visit Toronto regularly. What a great city!!

Peace -

Rick

I have 9 nieces and nephews- 4 of them are in college. So far, I'm the only gay one in the family- as far as I know.

This past year has been the year of finding old friends from my Evangel years- half the men in Concert Choir- as I've come to find out- belonged to the 'church'. A few I've looked up, others have contacted me. A process of midlife? Looking back and forward? I can't say, but it's been curious and somewhat revelatory to see who we've become. I can't look at my yearbook picture but wonder who that child was.

We adore Toronto. When you come south to NYC you must look us up. Seriously. That would be interesting. And you can tell me which one is gay.

[RickinNY]

AAH - I get it - I read your profile quickly and thought you lived in Toronto. It IS a great place for getting married, though ;-)

[Daniel]

I can see now. No. Not the light. The page.

Just got back from picking up my new glasses, the first in 17 years. And the first to have 'progressive' lenses. No they're not political, they just correct presbyopia: the inability of the eye to focus at close range. Yes. dear reader. This is what happens, or can happen, during one's 40's.

Oh yes. I paid a lot to see through these things. And of course, the whole matter of seeing and not seeing has reminded of the price one pays, or refuses to pay, in seeing and accepting GLBTQ persons. Where correction is required, I firmly believe that nonviolence (look Joe- no hyphen!) is the right prescription.

[Zerbie]

:lol:

Daniel, you crack me up. :p

Congrats on your new glasses. HOW did you ever go for 17 years with an out of focus prescription?!?!?!?! Didn't you have eyestrain and headaches???

:confused:

I got a new pair of glasses last summer. They are IRIDESCENT LAVENDER!!!!! Important designer (I forget whom Neo-something I think) frames from Germany. They're really cute. Sometimes at night I wear them out to parties instead of contacts. :D

[Jennifer5]

:) Good point Daniel... Congradulations on the new glasses!

[Daniel]

HOW did you ever go for 17 years with an out of focus prescription?!?!?!?! Didn't you have eyestrain and headaches???


Oh dear.....words are so confusing aren't they? I meant to say that I could see with those glasses but couldn't read with them the last year or so. They're the same perscription with progressive lenses now.

Lavendar! Sounds like they positively glow in the dark! Matching skirt or scarf I hope? 'Layers' are so so important you now.

[Zerbie]

Lavendar! Sounds like they positively glow in the dark! Matching skirt or scarf I hope? 'Layers' are so so important you now.

Only my aura. ;) :rainbow:

:D

Actually, the glasses read bluish grey most of the time, with a sort of *undertone* of lavender. Subtle, yet unique. Mmmmm!

Sexiest eyeglasses I've ever worn.:D When they were new, I was wearing them all the time and dancing around the house showing off to hubby & singing "I'm too sexy for my glasses." :p DH just shook his head in amusement and told me I was "cute." :lol:

Yes, I'm a goof.

Gotcha on the prescription thing. Yes, being able to read *might* come in handy for ya. ;)

[Daniel]

My dear friends,

I'm experiencing something of a health crisis at the moment: I have developed ringing in the ears. It's called tinnitus. A tricky problem to treat- and hopefully- since this is a recent development (I woke up one morning last week this a very loud tone in both ears), it remains to be seen what will happen in terms of improvement and treatment. For many people, learning to live with this ringing is a fact of life. There is no 'cure' as such.

I can say, from my limited experience, that there are some challenges involved, none the least of which is the emotional upheaval that comes with something so unexpected and- seemingly- uncontrollable. But I count myself so very very blessed in having the arms of my huband to hold me.

The arms of the Beloved hold us all.

Please know that if I am not as present on this forum in the coming weeks as much as I have been in the past year, it is not for lack of love for you. I'm simply taking care of myself.

Thank you for your prayers.

Much love to you..

Daniel




May all beings be happy, content, and fulfilled,
May all beings be healed and whole.
May all have whatever they want and need.
May all be protected from harm, and free from fear.
May all beings enjoy inner peace and ease.
May all be awakened, liberated, and free.
May there be peace in this world, and throughout the entire universe.

[u-dog]

Daniel,

I am so sorry to hear this news. Very difficult for anyone but particularly scarey for a singer. I will have you in my prayers asking that this thing leave as quickly and mysteriously as it came.

Dave:pray: :pray: :love: :pray: :pray:

[dsdrane]

I'm with u-dog!

Much love! :love:

[andrewlittle]

Me too!

I'll be praying that your particular tinnitus is a temporary symptom of stress and overwork - simply because the cure would be relaxation and enjoyment. Positive reinforcement - temporary, temporary, temp...

[Jamie McDaniel]

No doubt you've spent the last several days reading about this. I've only spent the last 10-15 minutes reading about tinnitus and it seems there is little known about the affliction compared to other health conditions. I truly hope yours is temporary or subsides, dear Daniel, as I read a good number of cases do.

Wikipedia states (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinnitus) you have something in common with Bono, Beethoven, and Barbara Streisand. Well, we would have all agreed with that before even knowing about tinnitus. :love::pray::dove:

[Zerbie]

Darlin' Daniel,

:love: :love: :love:

You know we are all praying for you. :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: I just hate it that you're suffering. :(
Let's expect that the tinnitus is temporary and caused by a temporary infection, it will go away.

This forum isn't the same when you're not posting, ya know that? Come on back quickly, we're waiting for good news. Meanwhile, so glad you have J there to hold you. :rainbow:

Smooches!

:love:
Zerbie

[tdogg]

I'm hoping and praying for a quick recovery Daniel! Come back soon. Take care, and take care of yourself. Tinnitis is a tough one, but you are one tough cookie.

[NathanATX]

Praying for you, Daniel.

Peace,
Nate

[Diane Vera]

I didn't grow up AG, thought I did become so when I was 15

What sort of religious upbringing did you have, if any?

- my older siblings became converted after a rather disasterous encounter with a ouija board and other psychic happenings.

What sorts of happenings, and how/why did these experiences lead your siblings into the AG?

This brought the AG experience into my family dynamic and I fell in with line with it, spoke in tongues et al. Still can. What this means in the big scheme of things is beyond my understanding- I must confess. Dealing with my sexuality has meant putting such things in perspective. That is not to say that I don't believe that such things have no meaning, but rather that I don't subscribe to the meaning that others may assign to such things.

What sorts of meaning do you assign to them now?

I just now saw this thread because it came to the top recently, thanks to your using it to tell us about your recent health crisis. I'm sorry to hear about your ear problems and I hope they turn out to be temporary and/or treatable.

If/when you feel inclined to hang out on this board again, I'd love to hear more about your experiences in the AG and your present perspective on same.

[bryanf]

---I posted on the wrong thread. Whoops!---

[Daniel]

I would like to thank everyone for their good thoughts, prayers and kind regards. They have meant a great deal to me.

The good thing is that I'm out of the woods. What sounded like an air raid siren in my head (tinnitus) has now been muted to the sound of very soft crickets. If push came to shove, I could probably make my peace with them, though I am hoping/praying for a complete recovery. Everything- it seems- has it's own 'time'.

I send you all blessings.

[Zerbie]

I would like to thank everyone for their good thoughts, prayers and kind regards. They have meant a great deal to me.

The good thing is that I'm out of the woods. What sounded like an air raid siren in my head

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: OMIGOD! OMIGOD! OMIGOD!!!!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:


(tinnitus) has now been muted to the sound of very soft crickets.

. . . exhales. . .



If push came to shove, I could probably make my peace with them, though I am hoping/praying for a complete recovery. Everything- it seems- has it's own 'time'.

I send you all blessings.

So thankful that you're better. Crickets, well, that can be lulling, perhaps?

[andrewlittle]

I would like to thank everyone for their good thoughts, prayers and kind regards. They have meant a great deal to me.

The good thing is that I'm out of the woods. What sounded like an air raid siren in my head (tinnitus) has now been muted to the sound of very soft crickets. If push came to shove, I could probably make my peace with them, though I am hoping/praying for a complete recovery. Everything- it seems- has it's own 'time'.

I send you all blessings.

I would think that would make you want to wish for Fall. I will continue to keep you in my prayers. I am soooo glad the worst part is over, at least.

If it makes you feel any better, the air raid siren is how Jenna describes having to listen to me carry on all the time. I think she'd sympathize.

Blessings, and praying for the still quite sounds of your own thoughts,
Andy

[Daniel]

So thankful that you're better. Crickets, well, that can be lulling, perhaps?

Dear Zerbie aka Batgirl- I knew you would appreciate crickets. Don't bats eat them? :lol: :love:

[Zerbie]

Dear Zerbie aka Batgirl- I knew you would appreciate crickets. Don't bats eat them? :lol: :love:

Funny you mention bats right now. I have a little bat sitting here at the computer table, and she says it sounds like you're reciting the menu options. Careful, or you may have a bat astral-traveling into your ear canal in search of prey. :eek:

[Diane Vera]

Daniel, I'm very glad to hear that your ear problem is getting better. Did it get better on its own, or in response to treatment? I too hope you can recover completely.

[Daniel]

Daniel, I'm very glad to hear that your ear problem is getting better. Did it get better on its own, or in response to treatment? I too hope you can recover completely.

Diane- That's hard to say. I've was on a course of steriods and am in a 'wait and see' mode. Tinnitus- as I am learning- is something that is only beginning to be understood more fully. There are treatments for it but no 'cure' per se.

I haven't forgotten your earlier questions.

My older siblings got involved with a ouija board and - as it was told to me- a 'spirit' haunted my high school age sister. The phenomina stopped when they sought help in a charismatic church.

What meaning do I give to my experience- tongue etc- in the AG church?

That's a interesting subject which yakked about on a thread.. http://www.soulforce.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1504&highlight=speaking+tongue

However, being influenced by Buddhist thought, which, more than any other system, concerns itself with with the nature of the mind, I am interested in the idea that everything may indeed be a manifestation of Mind. However, that doesn't take anything away from our 'experience'. It is personal, after all. More than anything, I am curious about is Real.

And my own belief is that Love is the only Reality. The other stuff is just....well... interesting stuff. :lol:

[Diane Vera]

Diane- That's hard to say. I've was on a course of steriods and am in a 'wait and see' mode. Tinnitus- as I am learning- is something that is only beginning to be understood more fully. There are treatments for it but no 'cure' per se.

How are you doing now?

I haven't forgotten your earlier questions.

My older siblings got involved with a ouija board and - as it was told to me- a 'spirit' haunted my high school age sister. The phenomina stopped when they sought help in a charismatic church.

What meaning do I give to my experience- tongue etc- in the AG church?

That's a interesting subject which yakked about on a thread.. http://www.soulforce.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1504&highlight=speaking+tongue

Thanks for calling it to my attention. I've posted a brief reply there.

However, being influenced by Buddhist thought, which, more than any other system, concerns itself with with the nature of the mind, I am interested in the idea that everything may indeed be a manifestation of Mind. However, that doesn't take anything away from our 'experience'. It is personal, after all. More than anything, I am curious about is Real.

Is that last sentence missing a word or two? If so, could you please clarify?

And my own belief is that Love is the only Reality. The other stuff is just....well... interesting stuff. :lol:

I'm not sure how to respond to this, except to say that I personally am not inclined to reduce Reality to any one particular thing.

[tdogg]

Daniel, glad to hear your tinnitus is reduced to crickets. :D Hopefully soon it will be gone completely. Crickets can be annoying so be patient with them. :rolleyes:

[Daniel]

It's time to revisit this thread, the first thread that I posted when I joined this forum. A lot has happened in the months and - yes- years since then.

In the posts on the latter pages I wrote about how I woke up in the middle of the night with head splitting tinnitus- that is- ringing in the ear/head . That was over a year ago now- in April of '07 actually.

What's happened since then? Well- for one thing I didn't kill myself. A major thing. And there were times when I wanted to, especially at the beginning.

Went to several ENT's. Found out that listening to classical music (I've been doing that all my life) and sleeping with a sound generator (the sound of water is very soothing) helped a good deal. I also got myself to the gym and learned to weight train. That gave me, perhaps, more than anything, a sense of 'control'. It also made me tired enough to sleep at night. ;)

Oh...I was a good boy......I waited for three months to see if the volume level would decrease. It didn't. Yes- there were hopeful days when I it seemed like the ringing was getting better as posts on this thread show. However, in the long run, everything stayed pretty much the same. I took Ginko and did other things- none of which helped. I learned how to 'listen' through the sound, how to meditate even more deeply. I learned how to focus intensely so that the ringing receded into the background when I was teaching and performing.

Around November '07 I didn't sleep for three nights in a row and told my husband at breakfast on the third day that I didn't think I could take much more. Smart and insistent husband wisely made me go to my doctor that instant, and the latter put me on a medication that helped me sleep.

Ah.....some peace at last....at least at night.

And now the lastest.

I am the most blessed of human beings.

An appointment with an audiologist revealed that a new kind of hearing instrument would, because I have slight hearing loss, actually, over time, reduce the volume of my tinnitus, and in all probability eliminate it altogether. The thing however, is that the tiny gadgets weren't inexpensive.

So- a helpful colleague put me in touch with an organization here in NYC that exists to helps musicans. I had an interview with them, and a very able caseworker organized matters and made my case- as it were- to 5 separate organizations, which, together, granted me the hearing instruments which I have been wearing for three days now.

It is an amazing thing to be so gifted: I am at once humbled and in awe- and have cried tears, not of pain, but of joy.

And man- what a difference the tiny gadgets have made. My tinnitus has already changed in volume slightly. As well, my minor hearing loss is also being compensated for, and boy, have I been missing some things! There are sounds that amaze me like the gurgle of the toilet tank, the fine tick of the mantel clock that I wasn't hearing in one ear, and the shimmer of an orchestra playing in concert. The world is full of fine sounds I have not been hearing. And what an amazing place this new world is.

Listening is such an interesting thing. We can loose our ability to hear slowly and hardly realize it. And I can tell you one thing that can result from this: one can become insular, both mentally and emotionally.

What do I feel now? Like a huge weight has fallen from my shoulders and that I am in contact with the world and people in new and subtle ways.

All this is to say: I didn't know where I would end up a year ago. But the place where I have arrived is a very good place indeed.

I would like to thank everyone here who has kept me in their thoughts and prayers over these past months- it has meant a great deal to me- and those thougths and prayers kept me going when there have been dark moments.

And to my husband Jonathan, who I love dearly, and who has held me - literally- through this process from day one, I owe everything. I would not be writing this post if it were not for him.

And now to anyone who is having their own dark night: there is hope. I may not come in a day, in a week, a month or a year, but it can come. This I now know.

I bow to the Light within you.....

[Zerbie]

Dear Daniel,

I am thankful that such misery has ended. It was dreadful to hear how much you suffered. After you sent us the note about how well you feel on the new devices, I just danced. :) :love: I'm grateful for all the people who were part of making you feel so much better. :pray:

Send our thanks to Jonathon too, for taking such good care of you. :love:

:love::love::love::love::love::love::love::love::l ove:

[matthewspeed]

Daniel,

I just wanted you to know that I rejoice with you concerning your "release" for the awful tinnitus situation. I have heard of people suffering from this. I can only imagine how difficult it must be to suffer from that. It is amazing as technology increases, we find more cures and remedies for many ailments and diseases, not to mention the natural remedies that are being researched as well. As this world seems to be getting more and more "evil," is is refreshing to hear good reports!

I am happy for you Daniel! You seem very grateful. God bless you!

-Matthew :)

[Vanessa White]

The relief is probably indescribable in a way, and so welcome and exciting to hear such fine sounds now!!! Send my gratitude also to Jonathan for being there for you, in all of the ways a husband needs to be.

I, my friend, bow to your absolute glow of light. In re-reading your intro, it reminds me that only two short years ago, I didn't even know you. Now, I consider you to be a true friend.......:love:

[nmwolfboy]

That's wonderful news, Daniel!!! i can only imagine what it's been like for you during the past year, and what it must be like to find relief.

Pax, :dove:
scott

[tdogg]

Daniel, that is wonderful news. Wow, what a thing to live with. I truly have more respect and compassion for you (not that I didn't have a ton before), you are amazing.

I hope and pray that in time, you will be rid of the ringing for good. :love::pray::love: