Tucker Carlson Hit on in Public Restroom

[revtj]

Tucker Carlson (http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/08/29/713) says he was cruised in a public toilet and beat the man up.

Is this a gaybashing?

I feel the closet is what creates toiletry sex among men.

Bring back the Roman Baths!:lol:

peace ~
tj

PS At least he di'n't say "I was Lonely but I'm not gay..." :cool:

[Emproph]

Tucker Carlson (http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/08/29/713) says he was cruised in a public toilet and beat the man up.

Is this a gaybashing?

No. That's teenage hormonal angst asserting itself 20 years ago.

He also said that "gay rights groups ought to disavow that kind of crap."

Meaning that we should all stop fighting for the right to have sex in public toilets.

Now THAT'S gay bashing.

[Jamie McDaniel]

From your link, revtj:
I’m not anti-gay in the slightest

Whatever, Tucker. I caught a segment of Wednesday's show (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20512912/) when talking about Senator Craig he said to the woman he was interviewing:

Are you suggesting that if you're gay, you are not allowed to be against gay marriage?

The implication being that one's being against gay marriage is just another opinion in the public realm, not the oppression that it is.

[revtj]

I found Carlson's comments to be contradictory also. My initial reaction (which is totally what I believe about Fox News anyway) is that they had sort of choreographed Carlson's 'admission' of the bathroom incident, and then used it as a springboard to responses that aid & abet the enemies of equality under the law for LGBT peoples. It's like they use these kinds of stories to pretend they are going to be fair and then lower the boom against LGBT equality.

Emproph, I do have to agree that toilet sex has nothing to do with the rights & equality I work and pray for. However, I think the whole phenomena is created by the deep-seated fear (homophobia) we continue to sustain in society about same-sex sex. It is that fear that creates closets and toilets to hide out in, out of a fear of being exposed.

That being said, what is this entrapment thing about? I have seen it happen here in Atlanta. They always catch someone "famous" or a politician. Does that mean the little people get let off the hook or ignored? If the cop comes on to the guy, I gotta say, I'm not sure the citizen has committed a crime if he believes it is consensual between adults. Pretty trashy, yes, but a crime? I'm not convinced.

In Pensacola at the beaches it has for years been a racket, with plainclothes cops initiating contact, then arresting the men. A huge fine is assessed and there's only one lawyer in town who will defend you & he charges huge fees as well. (This happened to a friend of mine, and over 2 years, he paid out 1000s of dollars to make it go away.) And the cop, according to my friend was a real hot looking man.

What kind of cop would volunteer for such an assignment?

What exactly does 'catching' these people do for the good of society? :confused:

[NathanATX]

hmmm... we should plan "reverse stings"... and bust the cops publicly... upload the video... shame the police chiefs and mayors...

[sailaway58]

hmmm... we should plan "reverse stings"... and bust the cops publicly... upload the video... shame the police chiefs and mayors...
Thats bullshit, no offense.
The last thing I want to see when I go to a public restroom is a couple people pleasuring each other. I don't want to hear it in the stall next to me either. The stings are legit and a big wheel got caught.
He may need help, he may need to face the truth about who he is. One thing for sure he needs to get the hell out of the public restrooms for his sexual fulfillment.
That is not a "right" I am willing to stand for.

[u-dog]

Thats bullshit, no offense.
The last thing I want to see when I go to a public restroom is a couple people pleasuring each other. I don't want to hear it in the stall next to me either. The stings are legit and a big wheel got caught.
He may need help, he may need to face the truth about who he is. One thing for sure he needs to get the hell out of the public restrooms for his sexual fulfillment.
That is not a "right" I am willing to stand for.

I'm curious Tim, have you been in a public restroom and gotten hit on or heard sex in the next stall? ( I'm not being argumentattive here or disagreeing about the inappropriateness of sex in public) Because I never have. The only sex I've seen in men's rooms has been scrawled on the walls. I have no doubt that it happens but... I've never been aware of it happening near me. And so... I also have trouble seeing the point of spending public resources to stop it. the young cop in Mps seems like a nice, sincere, competant young man... surely he would like to get to retirement and be able to say that he did something more significant with his life then arrest high ranking perverts.

[sailaway58]

I'm curious Tim, have you been in a public restroom and gotten hit on or heard sex in the next stall? ( I'm not being argumentative here or disagreeing about the inappropriateness of sex in public) Because I never have. The only sex I've seen in men's rooms has been scrawled on the walls. I have no doubt that it happens but... I've never been aware of it happening near me. And so... I also have trouble seeing the point of spending public resources to stop it. the young cop in Mps seems like a nice, sincere, competent young man... surely he would like to get to retirement and be able to say that he did something more significant with his life then arrest high ranking perverts.
As far as getting hit on it seems that only drunk chubby girls find me attractive and it usually helps if they are over 50. :( But I digress.
My dad was a cop for 28 years and I don't believe he ever responded to problems that didn't exist. If there is a sting operation it is because of complaints.
Even in my little town there have been incidents of public sex in the park down the street from me. It was not gay sex, but I don't want either preformed where I have a chance of walking in on it.
Sure there are some crappy assignments given to cops, they don't have to like all of them. The assignments are given in response of an issue not to create one.

[u-dog]

As far as getting hit on it seems that only drunk chubby girls find me attractive and it usually helps if they are over 50. :( But I digress.
My dad was a cop for 28 years and I don't believe he ever responded to problems that didn't exist. If there is a sting operation it is because of complaints.
Even in my little town there have been incidents of public sex in the park down the street from me. It was not gay sex, but I don't want either preformed where I have a chance of walking in on it.
Sure there are some crappy assignments given to cops, they don't have to like all of them. The assignments are given in response of an issue not to create one.

I don't disagree with you. I imagine that the MAJORITY of officers would prefer to do something more important and glamorous and only respond to problems that ACTUALLY present themselves. But I also imagine that often the problem that presents itself to the police is the problem that pressure is being brought down from "on high" to "deal with this problem" which may or may not actually be a problem.

I am also sure that public sex happens and am no more eager than you to have to witness it. I'm just saying that in 49 years of using public toilets I have never yet encountered this problem.

[NathanATX]

Thats bullshit, no offense.
The last thing I want to see when I go to a public restroom is a couple people pleasuring each other. I don't want to hear it in the stall next to me either. The stings are legit and a big wheel got caught.
He may need help, he may need to face the truth about who he is. One thing for sure he needs to get the hell out of the public restrooms for his sexual fulfillment.
That is not a "right" I am willing to stand for.

I get that you think restroom sex is gross. I agree.

If we really think it should stop, maybe we should send homos out on "pink patrols" to "police" these cruisy areas ourselves.

These guys need to be helped... encouraged... reached out to... It's probably 90% men who are super-closeted, struggling with their sexuality, etc. They're engaging in physically risky behaviours because they are emotionally/mentally unprepared to deal with coming out. Maybe a friendly, "sweetheart, big boys don't do that in public.... and hey, you should come to a dinner party I'm having after church..." would provide a positive, transformational role model for them.

What I'm referring to by "busting the cops" is creating some kind of way to shame the cops, their bosses and the mayors who are responsible for these raids. All they do is destroy lives... How many of these guys commit suicide? lose their jobs? lose their families? etc...

Like it or not, these *are* our people... they're just in a much worse place than we are. And we are content to let them go undefended...

[keltic63]

Like it or not, these *are* our people... they're just in a much worse place than we are. And we are content to let them go undefended...

there but for the grace of God.......




when I was closeted, in a straight marriage, and struggling to conceal and control my activities, I did some stupid things. I didn't engage in restroom sex, but nonetheless I did do some dangerous things.
We need a society that allows people to express their orientation in healthy ways. Many of the guys caught in these stings are married, with children, and for whatever reason feel that they could not live an honest open life as gay men. Or, as pointed out earlier, they could be straight men who like some occasional same-gender activity.
We can place blame, or we can look for a solution.

[BrentRichards]

I get that you think restroom sex is gross. I agree.

If we really think it should stop, maybe we should send homos out on "pink patrols" to "police" these cruisy areas ourselves.

These guys need to be helped... encouraged... reached out to... It's probably 90% men who are super-closeted, struggling with their sexuality, etc. They're engaging in physically risky behaviours because they are emotionally/mentally unprepared to deal with coming out. Maybe a friendly, "sweetheart, big boys don't do that in public.... and hey, you should come to a dinner party I'm having after church..." would provide a positive, transformational role model for them.

Now this is just revolutionary! I'm intrigued.

Like it or not, these *are* our people... they're just in a much worse place than we are. And we are content to let them go undefended...

Y'know, it's only been a few years that I've been able to say that ... "my people" ... it's a powerful thing, even when "my people" are doing stupid s**t. Like I haven't. But you want to shout, don't you, "Stop killing yourself!" (by hiding, pretending, taking risks, supporting our oppression, whatever ...)

there but for the grace of God.......

when I was closeted, in a straight marriage, and struggling to conceal and control my activities, I did some stupid things. I didn't engage in restroom sex, but nonetheless I did do some dangerous things.

We can place blame, or we can look for a solution.

Amen, brother. I would never run for office, just on general principle, but if I did, I hate the thought of what might come back to haunt me from my closet years ("one or two" years, y'know?). I was never scandal-worthy, but mostly because I was never a big fish. Who cared? But as you say, there but for the grace of God. My version of your last line is "We can fix blame, or we can fix problems. Never both."

Tim, I'll acknowledge that I'm of two minds on the sting issue ... I agree that any public sex is illegal, and should be appropriately policed and prosecuted. I don't buy that restroom sex is "private" and therefore not a problem. At the same time, I am very conscious of who is being targeted by this enforcement, and why. Is it really possible that no one ever seeks heterosexual public anonymous sex? Where are these stings? They may be happening, but they're not making the news ... the "gay angle" makes it sensational, and abiding homophobia makes it a "safe" target ... the bulk of the population says "Good for him, pervert!" rather than "Yeesh, that coulda been me!" So how do we enforce a legitimate law without reenforcing homophobia? I don't have an answer (though as I've said, I'm intrigued by Nathan's "pink patrol" concept).