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awediot
03-26-2006, 04:59 PM
With no names or inference implied in the least, it is well known that over hostility toward gays is indicative of deeper issues. Closet type issues. This whole Queer issue is a guilt by association quagmire that the "me thinks thou doth protest too much" incriminating implication can stick to like napalm.
It is a crass, low blow and not encouraged parallel to draw. But it is often probably true that a number of our biggest adversaries, are closet cases themselves. It explains alot... The simple question as to "why do you, your highness, have such an obsession with such a trivial issue when kids go starving and seniors eat in freezing homes?" can cause their followers, their family, their wife to chime in, "I've been wonderring that myself?".... Ouch! We are a very slippery incurable target, and destroying the family is a pretty airy accusation overlooking infidelity, promiscuity, noncomunication, neglect, finance and a host of other, more tangible causes. Why jump over all of those to get to us?

They HATE being unable to wave that question off...

Emproph
04-09-2006, 06:50 AM
I have been googling for weeks now trying to find statistics on how much money, in total, or at least some practical estimation, of what they have spent on the ‘war on gays.’So far I’ve only found bits and pieces here and there. Not enough to make a case or start a thread.

Nearly every argument they peddle in regard to the causes for homosexuality rest on societal ills, sexual abuse, neglectful parents, not enough, or too much bonding with one parent or the other etc. By their own theory, if there were no social ills, there would be no homosexuality! :eek:

There was a panel on CSPAN several weeks ago, and the one guy was saying that world hunger could be wiped out with like $8 billion. Obviously there was more to it than that, but If anyone saw that or remembers the title of his book, please let me know.
-{I know I wrote it down here somewhere but I may as well be looking for a pentagon post it note in a pile of shredded Iran-Contra documents listing the reasons why Ollie North should never be allowed to be News Commentator, but I digress... :D}

Well here’s some names, inferences and implications in regard to “deeper issues” and “closet types.”

{Oh miss, I’ll throw some stones, my glass house is tempered..}

It’s like 30% of intensely devout homophobes are/have latent “homo” syndrome. {We should label them something like that, LHS's, but something catchier, my ideal acronym would likely take up the rest of this post though.}

That’s a teeny study (http://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&lr=&newwindow=1&safe=off&c2coff=1&q=new+study+links+homophobia+with+homosexual+arous al&btnG=Search), but ABC, 20/20?, had a NEW story on this like 2 months ago confirming it with like a hundred participants, University of Michigan, “peter meter.” I swear I can hear Cynthia McFadden in my head saying so, and I don’t even think she was the reporter! :eek:

So there’s the crux, 1/3 of our “enemy” are not only closeted, deprived of Love latent homosexuals/bisexuals (at least to some degree), are convinced they must love what they don’t, more so than they do, and are also convinced they must fill that void of unfulfillment and freedom of honesty with ever more VOID and self deception. Is a more applicable image of compassion for them even available? :(

That renews my wonder, Falwell, Robertson, Dobson even. Boy on boy, what a tangled web we weave...

I think I’ve rambled enough for now... (Now that I think of it, it's more of a rant.)

P.S. Don’t get me started on the prolifer’s concerned about the unborn when they can’t even take care of the 40,000 living people that starve, thirst, and die of easily preventable disease EVERY DAY!

Every Two Seconds. To be fair I’m rounding down from 2.16 seconds. To be clear, it was 27,000 twenty years ago. $300 Billion is acceptable to kill more people in Iraq means we’ve learned NOTHING. So 40,000 easily preventable deaths per day sounds about right.

How many of them would have solved the abortion crisis by now? And how many times over?

All I have to say in response to their cries of injustice on behalf of the unborn is, How dare you, How dare you, How dare you?!

Peace, Love and Joy. God Bless America... :rainbow: (<That's my little tribute to hypocrisy there..)

Zerbie
04-09-2006, 11:37 AM
The more important question (imo) than what they spend on the war on gays is what they make. It's an industry (ex gay ministries charge a fee to attend their big conferences, then sell loads of literature on how to cure or prevent homosexuality at ludicrous prices, like a $100 price tag.) And I visualize the fund raising literature for the FOF AFA and similar organizations tout the Homosexual Menace for pages in their letters. So I envision it, that's not knowledge tho it's speculation. Anyone know if I'm right?

And eh, Emproph, did you MEAN to type "boy on boy" below? Because if not, it's one hilarious typo! :D :D Not to mention that with the boys you named, that's a porno image I never wanna see. :lol:


[QUOTE=Emproph]I have been googling for weeks now trying to find statistics on how much money, in total, or at least some practical estimation, of what they have spent on the ‘war on gays.’So far I’ve only found bits and pieces here and there. Not enough to make a case or start a thread.



That renews my wonder, Falwell, Robertson, Dobson even. Boy on boy, what a tangled web we weave...

Foeke
04-10-2006, 03:45 AM
A report (http://www.gaymilitary.ucsb.edu/Publications/2006-02BlueRibbonFinalRpt.pdf) published by the University of California estimates that total costs of the out-dated and discriminatory "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy that is enforced throughout the army, navy, etc. at a staggering $363,770,279.

That money could have been well-spent elsewhere and in the process benefit a lot of people instead of utilizing it to force people to quit their jobs. This isn't organizations spending the money of their members, this is a government using its tax payers' dollars.

Sickening, in my opinion.

Emproph
04-11-2006, 12:56 AM
The more important question (imo) than what they spend on the war on gays is what they make. It's an industry (ex gay ministries charge a fee to attend their big conferences, then sell loads of literature on how to cure or prevent homosexuality at ludicrous prices, like a $100 price tag.) And I visualize the fund raising literature for the FOF AFA and similar organizations tout the Homosexual Menace for pages in their letters. So I envision it, that's not knowledge tho it's speculation. Anyone know if I'm right? That’s a fantastic point and absolutely you’re right. (I don't know about the Ex-gay price tags yet though.. hmm, will check.) I have read tons of stories of specific fund-raising literature and the specific strategy of scapegoating gays for the purpose of raising money though.

-I’ve been looking at this whole thing all wrong, I’m a money maker, I’m their bread and butter. So "nice" to know that the “sin” of my being is so lucrative.. I’ll try some searches on that level.
And eh, Emproph, did you MEAN to type "boy on boy" below? Because if not, it's one hilarious typo! :D :D Not to mention that with the boys you named, that's a porno image I never wanna see. :lol: What are you kidding? You think typo’s like that happen on accident? I choose my typo’s very carefully, but I already had 4 “smilie’s” on there already, I thought 5 would be overdoing it, and to think I have the nerve to consider myself a gay lifestyle, tsk, tsk tsk. (:D) < See, lesson learned.

I didn’t quite mean to imply the three of them together though.
-First, Eeeeeeeeeeew!
-Second, :lol: !

-And third, that thought is rather apropos, considering that soon – I mean, when they die, they're going to have plenty of time to 'network' with each other, and go over, and get over, over and over again, the guilt of every detail of the damage they are responsible for causing others to harm others still, us, before reincarnating, separately, as lesbians, in households with parents who are like they are now, and commit suicide, and then be reborn as parents with children who commit suicide “for no reason at all,” and then as parents of gay children whom they love but can’t accept because they are gay, ever torn between their desire to love God AND their child, and so on and so on and so on. They Are Screwed!

The University of California estimates that total costs of the out-dated and discriminatory "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy that is enforced throughout the army, navy, etc. at a staggering $363,770,279.
-That money could have been well-spent elsewhere and in the process benefit a lot of people instead of utilizing it to force people to quit their jobs. This isn't organizations spending the money of their members, this is a government using its tax payers' dollars. Sickening, in my opinion.
That was one of the only statistics I could find. As effectively bad as that is though, I figured, If they think spending 300 Billion on a war with a country that had nothing to do with 9/11, in order to prevent another 9/11, killing tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis in the process is a good and Christian thing, and TRILLIONS :dollar: in national debt is plain ol’ hunky dory, what's a few hundred wasted mil?’ That’s why I want to get an idea of the whole tab.

That's definitely part of the issue though. Two things on that one. First, the military is in dire straights (no pun intended), as far as recruitment goes and second, I’ve read on several occasions, especially soon after 9/11 that a lot of those who were expelled for being gay were Arabic translators, one of THE most valued positions our military needs. Remember all the hoopla about that as far as intelligence failure went?

Next time there’s another preventable national tragedy (not to imply that 9/11 necessarily was), we should all write letters to the editor explaining how upon hearing of the tragedy, “My first thought was, thank God federal funding for stem cell research is illegal.” You can pretty much work that for anything you feel is a wasted effort that should have been applied to ensuring our safety.

Phew, I feel much better. I'm going to go do some gardening now, and yes I know it's going on 2AM, nature calls... :rainbow:

Liberal Crozier
04-11-2006, 02:21 AM
My dear brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus,


In my experience, there are priests and pastors, and there are "ecclesiastic mechanics." The former are involved in serving others, while the latter are serving themselves. Furthermore, it is easy to understand that one serves Christ while the others serve themselves.

The delusion is a process, and can occur over time. It often begins during the "dark periods of the soul" when a person undergoes the temptations that our Saviour underwent in the desert prior to His Ministry on earth.

The manifestations are many and as alluring and deadly to the life of the soulforce within us. Yet, the Evil One uses the same weapons in his arsenal to do harm. He appeals to pride and to envy and certainly, to earthly fame, power and prestige. Faith dies and coercion lives...and choice and free will becomes theocracy and one acceptable theology. The words of John 14 " In My Father's house are many rooms" becomes a small padded cell where one is imprisoned.

Throughout the history of the Church, or the part of the Mystical Body imbued with temporal life, there has been this group or that group at war with the true message of the Great Decalogue, namely, the love of God and the love of neighbour as you should love yourself. The operative word here is "should" for verbal violence often does great injury to the soul of our young gay brothers and sisters. I, too, have buried more than my share of teenage suicides who died spiritually and emotionally long before their hearts stopped beating by their own hands.

The historical Church has allied itself with both the left and right wings of many nations in order to obtain temporal power. Catholic, Protestant, or Orthodox - all have histories that attest to that reality. It is the downside of the Constantine Donation and the False Decretals. The cost of that unholy alliance is of course, the " essence " of the faith at the expense of truth, justice, compassion.

There is also something else. It is the denial of the Holy Trinity. It is the denial of the Holy Spirit as the Third Person who has functioned in the Church since Pentecost and still does today. Contextual rather than literal is the testament to the gift of language, with its nuances and its instructive changes throughout time.

Dr. White often refers to the fact that the Biblical writers had no words or moreover, understanding of what we mean by a monogamous same-sex love and coupling. I agree. Moreover, [B]bad biology makes bad theology.[B]

Our ancestors knew that a woman had a womb and that a man produced sperm. Their ignorance of the ovaries was important and telling. From this ignorance for nearly nineteen centuries of the Christian era, we believed that sperm was the entire child and that the "humours" in the womb produced the sex of the child. Yes, good "humours" produced males. One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is knowledge, and with the invention of the microscope, we first observed the ovary, and then, eventually, realised that the male sperm genetic information introduced the sex of the child.

Ignorance should not be enshrined, and yes, my brothers and sisters, we are not responsible for the ignorance of others. However, we must all stand for truth and justice, and kneel in prayer for that outcome.

IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, AND OF THE SON, AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, AMEN !!