Apologies

[Progo35]

I didn't intend to hurt anyone, to come across as accusatory, or make anyone upset unnecessarily. I'm not trying to win, at least not consciously-I just like good conversations. But, there have been a few times that I have come across as more forceful are inconsiderate that I would have wanted, and I feel badly about it.

In particular, I'd like to apologize to Kara, who I told to "wake up" and to Zerbie, when I come across as being judgmental when we were talking about one of her friends. Those are two incidents that stick out in my mind as unkind and unnecessary. And, just in general, I'd like to apologize for times that I may have come across as snide, close-minded, or inconsiderate. I really do try to be considerate of others in general, because I enjoy interacting with people. Anyway, I hope that those I have mentioned will accept my apology and that anyone else who has been hurt by anything I've said will also accept my apology.


Sincerely,

-Meghan

[Jamie McDaniel]

Progo35 has had her posting privileges revoked.

From: Jamie McDaniel
Date: December 29, 2007 8:48:00 AM EST
To: Progo35
Subject: RE: Soulforce forums

Meghan,

This message is to inform you that your posting privileges on the Soulforce forums have been revoked.

In November I wrote to you with the idea that you could engage our members differently. I listed some of the things you had done that were not going to be met with friendliness. I had stated that I hoped the continued investment of your time here could prosper, for both you and others.

Unfortunately, you continue to fight with the moderators and any Soulforce staff that you have approached (myself and Kara.) You continue to be provocative and combative in your posts. Our job as moderators is to help facilitate the online discussions and make it where members want to participate and have a generally positive experience. On occasion that means revoking the posting privileges of members who do not observe the guidelines.

Your good and your gifts have come through in some of your posts in the past. I wish you well on your journey.

Jamie McDaniel
Soulforce Director of Web Development

[paul]

For what it's worth, as a member of these forums, I don't feel the need to be protected from another member, and I understand that I may be in a minority, just voicing my thoughts and feelings. I appreciate that the task of moderators is a difficult one. I guess I view the moderator position as the diplomatic corp who comes in to keep all out war from breaking loose. I wouldn't want the job.

The only 'sin' that I see Progo commiting is the 'sin' of immaturity, which is really no sin at all. Annoying, sure, but no sin. I think she is simply trying to find herself and is a bit self consumed (which, to my way of thinking, is the epitomy of immaturity). Yeah, she's a bull in a china shop and hasn't yet discovered that. Who among us has not been there :o? I guess what I'm wondering is, are we "a china shop?" Can SF be a safe place for kids to grow up?

This is just my one opinion. I would prefer people like progo not be rejected because I feel that's their problem in the first place. I feel sorry for her, even when she pisses me off. Okay, maybe her rights being revoked is a kindness, I don't know. Maybe it will help her see that if she shoves herself down peoples throats as a means of getting accepted that all she will get is vomit. But it seems she was already getting that. Sorry, this is just turning into a ramble. Just some of my thoughts and feelings. I hate the thought of anyone being turned away, just me.

[dsdrane]

Progo35 has had her posting privileges revoked.

Jamie, et al.:

:applause:

[NathanATX]

For what it's worth, as a member of these forums, I don't feel the need to be protected from another member, and I understand that I may be in a minority, just voicing my thoughts and feelings. I appreciate that the task of moderators is a difficult one. I guess I view the moderator position as the diplomatic corp who comes in to keep all out war from breaking loose. I wouldn't want the job.

The only 'sin' that I see Progo commiting is the 'sin' of immaturity, which is really no sin at all. Annoying, sure, but no sin. I think she is simply trying to find herself and is a bit self consumed (which, to my way of thinking, is the epitomy of immaturity). Yeah, she's a bull in a china shop and hasn't yet discovered that. Who among us has not been there :o? I guess what I'm wondering is, are we "a china shop?" Can SF be a safe place for kids to grow up?

This is just my one opinion. I would prefer people like progo not be rejected because I feel that's their problem in the first place. I feel sorry for her, even when she pisses me off. Okay, maybe her rights being revoked is a kindness, I don't know. Maybe it will help her see that if she shoves herself down peoples throats as a means of getting accepted that all she will get is vomit. But it seems she was already getting that. Sorry, this is just turning into a ramble. Just some of my thoughts and feelings. I hate the thought of anyone being turned away, just me.

Hi Paul,
You have some great points. I feel for her too... she has a hard life ahead of her if she can't grow out of this kind of behavior.

We try to make decisions based on the impact of a person's behavior on the purpose and vision for the forums. We try to provide encouragement and coaching for those who are acting out, but when they're not receptive there isn't much that can be done.

Personally, I'm not willing to play babysitter to someone I have not legally adopted. I have too much going on. The purpose and vision for the forums here is too important to let someone hijack everything.

Nate

[paul]

Hi Paul,
You have some great points. I feel for her too... she has a hard life ahead of her if she can't grow out of this kind of behavior.

We try to make decisions based on the impact of a person's behavior on the purpose and vision for the forums. We try to provide encouragement and coaching for those who are acting out, but when they're not receptive there isn't much that can be done.

Personally, I'm not willing to play babysitter to someone I have not legally adopted. I have too much going on. The purpose and vision for the forums here is too important to let someone hijack everything.

Nate

Thanks Nate,

I think I understand. I do realize that sometimes the "kindest" thing to do is to let someone feel the full force of consequence to their words. I haven't been behind the lines in pm land seeing the efforts at ecouragement and coaching. I doff my hat to the moderators and frankly trust your kindness and inclination to do what is right for all concerned. Again, not a job I would want.