the "gay agenda"

[drewcaine]

note: no keyboard, so dont mind the "typos"
I decided to go behind enemy lines; reading book by dr. ronnie w floyd named after topic title. it reminded me of a commercial where U.s.a. pres. gets the Holy Ghost. Not a fan of America but thats the kind of leader this country needs lol.
Slightly emo @ the moment, so i'll get back latr. discuss and enjoy!
drewcaine

[BrianB]

note: no keyboard, so dont mind the "typos"
I decided to go behind enemy lines; reading book by dr. ronnie w floyd named after topic title. it reminded me of a commercial where U.s.a. pres. gets the Holy Ghost. Not a fan of America but thats the kind of leader this country needs lol.
Slightly emo @ the moment, so i'll get back latr. discuss and enjoy!
drewcaine

I'm not sure why you want to read a book titled "Gay Agenda". You can be about one hundred percent sure that the author of such a book is not going to be open to dialogue. In fact, such an author probably wants to define the "gay agenda" so that he or she can then say what horrible things will happen if gay people are given so called "special rights". If they were interested in dialogue they would not choose a "trigger phrase" as the title of their book.

[pnggrad79]

There is a similar book called The Homosexual Agenda. I did read it, as much as could before getting the overwhelming urge to throw up or maim the author. You are absolutely right. It was filled with outright garbage, lies, half truths, and inflammatory statements. One chapter dealt with what would happen if gays got elected into public office. To summarize it went on about the so called "gay agenda" and how gays would legislate sex with young boys and promote gay education and decriminalize gay sex, etc. It was so ludicrous, I wondered how many people actually believe this drivel. But educated people like James Dobson evidently do, so what can I say? It seems like it is very similar to the lies and propaganda purveyed to the general population of Germany during the years preceding WW2 and during it.

The best way to get people all stirred up is to start spilling out lies and half truths, tell them how its going to hurt them and their families and pretty soon crosses are being burned in front yards and grandma being thrown into a gas chamber.

I don't mean to sound extremist, but it isn't like these things haven't happened and its all fantasy. And it could happen again. Let Huckabee win the election, and this scenario may be in our future.:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

[Emproph]

I'm not sure why you want to read a book titled "Gay Agenda". You can be about one hundred percent sure that the author of such a book is not going to be open to dialogue. In fact, such an author probably wants to define the "gay agenda" so that he or she can then say what horrible things will happen if gay people are given so called "special rights". If they were interested in dialogue they would not choose a "trigger phrase" as the title of their book.

Well put Brian.

[Emproph]

note: no keyboard, so dont mind the "typos"
I decided to go behind enemy lines; reading book by dr. ronnie w floyd named after topic title. it reminded me of a commercial where U.s.a. pres. gets the Holy Ghost. Not a fan of America but thats the kind of leader this country needs lol.
Slightly emo @ the moment, so i'll get back latr. discuss and enjoy!
drewcaine

I have a special affinity for this book as it was one of the first anti-gay books I ever bought. It was one of the starting..firing..pins..that got me going.

That said, Ronnie W. Floyd is a hack and a shill for the anti-gay industry. He offers little if any new or original material, in even an anti-gay propaganda sense.

However, in regard to the book "The Homosexual Agenda":
There is a similar book called The Homosexual Agenda. I did read it, as much as could before getting the overwhelming urge to throw up or maim the author.

If pnggrad is talking about the book:

The Homosexual Agenda
Exposing the Principle Threat to Religious Freedom Today
Alan Sears & Craig Osten

Then I whole heartedly concur with her urge to throw up or maim the author. Point being, that's the book you want to read if you want a lesson in anti-gay propaganda technique.

I have a couple dozen anti-gay books at this point. In addition to daily online research, the Biblical arguments and lies are all, always, exactly the same. The anti-gay industry is essentially, conceptually contained.

Now, I don't know you very well (or at all - besides replying to some of your threads), but I am wondering, are you looking for this anti-gay information to find lies, or to find truth? Or to find a way to tell the difference?
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P.S. For the record, I would say that Ronnie W. Floyd's "The Gay Agenda" is an excellent starter book. It's an easy read, and there's also alot more information online in regard to its contents since the book was written.

[drewcaine]

I'm not having an easy time reading the book, especially since I read the important parts of beyond acceptance b4 that.
I thought that I would find out why these bigots think the way they do, but so far the only conclusion is ignorance.
At least He knows I'm trying to understand...
drewcaine

[Daniel]

At least He knows I'm trying to understand...


God? The all powerful Onniscient Being who sees what we do in our bedrooms and (supposedly) makes judgements based on who does what to whom?

Gosh! I'm a pill tonight. But I don't see why you have to please anyone but yourself and the person, or persons whom you love, either romantically or platonically.

Anything else is a bunch of 'should's'. And I don't know about you, but at some point I got very tired tired of pleasing people for the simple fact that people cannot be pleased or appeased. And while it may sound heretical, in a real sense, God cannot be pleased. That puts him in the position of being the bad-ass who's holding the carrot in one hand and the stick in the another. Is that love? I so NO. NO. NO. NO NO!

Ok.

Rant over.

Yes.....people are ignorant. And that causes a great deal of suffering.

[drewcaine]

Of course God cannot be pleased...anyone who understands the basics of the Bible [in my opinion] should understand that. However, we're supposed to not TRY to please God, but follow his ways TO THE BEST of OUR ABILITIES [as humans]. We have to accept who we are, and who God is-we're trash, and can't even hope to compare to what God is (we discussed this last night at lifegroup).
drewcaine

[tpdncr4christ]

Of course God cannot be pleased...anyone who understands the basics of the Bible [in my opinion] should understand that. However, we're supposed to not TRY to please God, but follow his ways TO THE BEST of OUR ABILITIES [as humans]. We have to accept who we are, and who God is-we're trash, and can't even hope to compare to what God is (we discussed this last night at lifegroup).
drewcaine

Excuse me? Who are you to say whether or not God can be pleased? We are anything BUT trash. We are created in the image of One who loves us and cherishes us, not trash. Sure, we'll never be God (and that's a damn good thing) but to say that we will never please Him? That is a horrible thing to say. Hell, you could probably make Him laugh, just tell the guy your plans. I think God can be pleased, and I would say I have a decent understanding of the Bible. Just saying,

[Kiwibird83]

I generally attempt to stay away from such books, sometimes they make a good read if only to inspire me to be more aware of how crazy some people can be towards homosexuals, yet at the same time it makes me depressed and slightly scared that millions of people can believe all the garbage that is written in books like this.

Besides, I already have a the homosexual agenda posted to my kitchen fridge, it inspires me to decay western society everyday.




The Homosexual Agenda

8:00 a.m. Wake up. Wonder where you are.

8:01 a.m. Realize you are lying on 100 percent cotton sheets of at least a 300 count, so don't panic; you're not slumming.

8:02 a.m. Realize you are actually in your own bed for a change. Wake stranger next to you and tell them you are late for work so won't be able to cook breakfast for them. Mutter "sorry" as you help him look for his far-flung underwear. You find out that you tore his boxers while ripping them off him last night, so you "loan" him a pair of boxer-briefs, but not the new ones because you never intend to see him again.

8:05 a.m. Tell the stranger, whose name eludes you, "It was fun. I'll give you a call," as you usher him out the door, avoiding his egregious morning-breath.

8:06 a.m. Crumple and dispose of the piece of paper with his telephone number on it when you get to the kitchen.

8:07 a.m. Make a high protein breakfast while watching the Today show. Wonder if the stories you've heard about Matt Lauer are true. Decide they must be.

8:30 a.m. Italian or domestic? Decide to go with three-button Italian and the only shirt that is clean.

8:45 a.m. Climb into red Z4 and try not to look too much like Barbie driving one of her accessories as you pull out of your underground parking. Revos or Armanis? Go with Revos.

9:35 a.m. Stroll into office.

9:36 a.m. Close door to office and call best friend and laugh about the guy who spent the night at your condo. Point out something annoying about best friend's boyfriend but quickly add "It doesn't matter what everyone else thinks, just as long as you love him."

10:15 a.m. Leave office, telling your secretary you are "meeting with a client." Pretend not to notice her insubordinate roll of her eyes (or the cloying "poem" she has tacked to her cubicle wall).

10:30 a.m. Hair appointment for lowlights and cut. Purchase of Aveda anti-humectant pomade.

11:30 a.m. Run into personal trainer at gym. Pester him about getting you Human Growth Hormone. Spend 30 minutes talking to friends on your cell phone while using Hammer Strength machines, preparing a mental-matrix of which circuit parties everyone is going to and which are now passe.

12:00pm Tan. Schedule back-waxing in time for Saturday party where you know you will end up shirtless.

12:30 p.m. Pay trainer for anabolic steroids and schedule a workout. Shower, taking ten minutes to knot your tie while you check-out your best friend's boyfriend undress with the calculation of someone used to wearing a t-back and having dollars stuffed in their crotch.

1:00 p.m. Meet someone for whom you only know his waist, chest and penis size from AOL M4M chat for lunch at a hot, new restaurant. Because the maître d' recognizes you from a gay bar, you are whisked past the Christian heterosexual couples who have been waiting patiently for a table since 12:30.

2:30 p.m. "Dessert at your place." Find out, once again, people lie on AOL.

3:33 p.m. Assume complete control of the U.S., state, and local governments (in addition to other nations' governments); destroy all healthy Christian marriages; recruit all children grades Kindergarten through 12 into your amoral, filthy lifestyle; secure complete control of the media, starting with sitcoms; molest innocent children; give AIDS to as many people as you can; host a pornographic "art" exhibit at your local art museum; and turn people away from Jesus, causing them to burn forever in Hell.

4:10 p.m. Time permitting, bring about the general decline of Western Civilization and look like you are having way too much fun doing it.

4:30 p.m. Take a disco-nap to prevent facial wrinkles from the stress of world conquest and being so terribly witty.

6:00 p.m. Open a fabulous new bottle of Malbec.

6:47 P.M. Bake Ketamine for weekend. Test recipe.

7:00 P.M. Go to Abercrombie & Fitch and announce in a loud voice, "Over!"

7:40 P.M. Stop looking at the photographic displays at Abercrombie & Fitch and go to a cool store to begin shopping.

8:30 p.m. Light dinner with catty homosexual friends at a restaurant you will be "over" by the time it gets its first review in the local paper.

10:30 p.m. Cocktails at a debauched gay bar, trying to avoid alcoholic queens who can't navigate a crowd with a lit cigarette in one hand and a Stoli in a cheap plastic cup in the other. Make audible remark about how "trashy" people who still think smoking is acceptable are.

12:00 a.m. "Nightcap at your place." Find out that people lie in bars, too.

[Daniel]

Kiwibird.

Very Queeny.

God. Maybe I've been married to the same man too long, but I can't remember the last time I woke up next to someone I picked up in a bar (or online) and didn't recognize the next morning.

Tell you what. I'm going to take your post as satire. It works better that way.

Ok. What about making love with a guy you love? Really. That's an agenda I can believe in.

And tpndcr: you're thinking the same thoughts I'm thinking. ;)

[keltic63]

Excuse me? Who are you to say whether or not God can be pleased? We are anything BUT trash. We are created in the image of One who loves us and cherishes us, not trash. Sure, we'll never be God (and that's a damn good thing) but to say that we will never please Him? That is a horrible thing to say. Hell, you could probably make Him laugh, just tell the guy your plans. I think God can be pleased, and I would say I have a decent understanding of the Bible. Just saying,



And tpndcr: you're thinking the same thoughts I'm thinking. ;)

and why shouldn't God take pleasure in her creation? we are, afterall, according to the Psalmist, fearfully and wonderfully made.

I have 3 kids. I love them more than I have ever thought possible. They please me to no end and they don't even have to try. I think God is pleased with us in the big and little things in life; when we remember to do the little things for each other all because of the love instilled in us by our creator. yes, I do believe God is pleased with us, we are God's own, are we not?

[Kiwibird83]

Kiwibird.

Very Queeny.

God. Maybe I've been married to the same man too long, but I can't remember the last time I woke up next to someone I picked up in a bar (or online) and didn't recognize the next morning.

Tell you what. I'm going to take your post as satire. It works better that way.

Ok. What about making love with a guy you love? Really. That's an agenda I can believe in.

And tpndcr: you're thinking the same thoughts I'm thinking. ;)

Oh it's all Satire, playing on the stereotypes that your average conservative believes the GLBT populous lives and breathes. Lord knows I don't live that life, and besides, I have a horrible sense of fashion. ;)

[tdogg]

Of course God cannot be pleased...anyone who understands the basics of the Bible [in my opinion] should understand that. However, we're supposed to not TRY to please God, but follow his ways TO THE BEST of OUR ABILITIES [as humans]. We have to accept who we are, and who God is-we're trash, and can't even hope to compare to what God is (we discussed this last night at lifegroup).
drewcaine

The reason why some would have us believe God thinks we are trash, is so those same humans can control and manipulate the masses in order to satisfy their personal goals of power, money and influence. If we think we are trash, then we'll listen to them and do what they say, give all our money, do their dirty work for them. So, it's time to stop listening to those who would demean and control you, and start listening to your heart Drew. I think deep down inside you know what's right. You have a lot of figuring out to do tho, in your life journey. No sense trying to use the hateful crap doled out by people who don't have your bests interest in heart (only their own).

In the meantime, instead of reading lies and deceit, perhaps you could look into doing some volunteer work to help others. It would get your mind of your troubles and give you something positive to do, that would go a long way in helping you learn to love yourself. :love::love:

[sailaway58]

I heard after you get your 10th recruit you get a T-shirt.

[Zerbie]

I heard after you get your 10th recruit you get a T-shirt.

Aw, Tim, that's ridiculous. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

EVERYONE knows its a toaster-oven. :rainbow: :cool:

[scrupulous_stoic]

This topic is somewhat reminiscent of a chat I had with a professor. One of my philosophy professors wanted to talk to me about my goals, life, beliefs, and knowledge of philosophers and their works. All went well, until, that is, I mentioned that I'm currently reading Thus Spoke Zarathustra by Friedrich Nietzsche. My teacher did not think to highly of Nietzsche, saying that, while his writing was phenomenal, the basis of his arguments and beliefs were relatively absent, and that he made assertions with no regard to evidence.

Regardless, I'm still reading the book.

You may be questioning why I mentioned this occurrence in this thread. I feel that this book, The Gay Agenda, can be equated to the famous work of Nietzsche, as far as the responses go. Like my teacher's critique on the book, many here feel that there is nothing to gain from The Gay Agenda because it is filled with assertions and claims that are merely opinion, as they have no real foundation to lie upon. However, I feel it is necessary to broaden our understanding by reading books like these. Even though many of us would consider this useless drivel, one must look at what is at stake here. Even though this is one man, there is at least one publisher that agreed to produce his work, and, in order for the book to maintain prominence, people, likely having similar beliefs, must buy it. Thus, by reading this book, we, as individuals and as a community, can try and understand the rationale of these authors, and see if there is some truth behind their rather bold claims. By doing so, we can, in a way, assist any problems that can be misconstrued by such authors, and hinder their efforts of spreading what many consider lies.

[tdogg]

I would agree with you in regards to broadening our horizons and gaining knowledge. However, when one is in the early stages of self-acceptance and discovery, it can be more of a harm than a help. Until one is at least self-accepting, I'm not sure the gay agenda book is going to be much of a horizon broadener. I would rather see Drew taking in some positive and affirming knowledge and once he is comfortable in his own skin, then sure, venture out to see what the others might have to say. I'm not a psychologist, I just know in my own journey of acceptance and love, it would not have helped to continue reading and listening to people who felt I am an abomination at the same time I'm struggling with being ok with me.

[scrupulous_stoic]

I concur. My response was not focused on Drew, but, rather, the community. If one is still in the infant stages of self acceptance, such reading could prove detrimental.

[drewcaine]

I'm way past the "rebirth" phase...however, I can't say the same about Brandon, who's still wandering around looking for his sexuality.
Anyways, the book wasn't highly useful-just the same old rhetoric and crap. The guy's still stuck on the myth that gay people want special rights. He might be right about some of the gay guys but I'm not one of them. I believe in equality. That's it for that topic. Noone deserves special rights, and I don't know how the hell churches got special rights (if you're wondering what I'm refering I can't put it exactly, but I heard that churches are exempt from taxes or something of the sort). That sounds special to me.
I don't have anything against church, I just don't see why I should tie myself to one. I believe that churches are there to provide fellowship (which is pretty much the only relevant reason to go to church); I have fellowship, aka the LFC group I attend. Enough said.
Well, time to hit the next post.
drewcaine