All The Little Children

[daniel Ray]

As a new member of only 17 days i have realized a need concerning these forums. Already i have had two members PM me to converse because they feel like they are not getting what they need from thier posts. In fact they both felt that they had been misunderstood, they had made posts to garner advice but instead, felt slammed. These people have serious issues and need proper guidance, therefore i have encouraged them to continue but i dont expect they will.

As a new member, my observation is that there are a few people who appear to be controlling the board. Some seem to have a need to inject thier opinions, always first. Just because you have an opinion does'nt mean everyone wants to hear it or that your opinion is appropriate to every case. I see what i will refer to as "the watchdogs" of SF, diligently makeing an effort to do what they must honestly believe is right but turning away some at the gate. Yes, you're right - Similar to what i'm attempting here. Others are rampantly making posts simply in an effort to "score"; lets see who can have the most posts! This is not a game.

Obviously there are some intelligent, well educated people here who offer excellent advice through a keen understanding and knowledge.

My intention is simply an effort to promote greater insight. We all make mistakes, please just keep in mind, some peoples needs may be obscure in the beginning.

"And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily i say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward." Matthew 10: 42

Thanks for considering this - everyone matters. :love:

[Daniel]

Just how are your fellow board members supposed to take this recent admonition?

Seeing that I have responded to your post first, does that imply that I am controlling the board? For all you know I happen to be the one to read it first. :rolleyes:

Ah.....hello.....it is a public virtual space. Anything can happen. You've put in your two cents, now I get to put in mine.

And let's be candid here, shall we? Your thread title stikes this reader as a slap on the hand: who exactly are the 'children' you have come to admonish- and the scriptual ending only piles on that impression. Because, to this reader's eyes and ears, that is what your title and post intend to to.

Please dear one: stop with the heartfelt concerned finger wagging. We aren't in Sunday School anymore.

Life is messy- and forums can be messy to- kinda like herding cats. It's part of the deal.

Lastely- I think the moderators do a pretty great job, considering their lack of manpower and the volume of the site itself. I - for one- would not want the job. You want the job and think you can do better: go talk to Jamie.

[scott snedeker]

I see that we activate the emotional vibrations that we send. This is what I receive when I send out a thread or reply to a post. Good thought hygiene is my daily awareness. I avoid Topics that feel poisonous and emotionally distressing. I also avoid viewing subjects in a negative or self-judgemental way. hence my Druidic Pagan spiritual paradigm.

Why do this?

The time honored response: "I had no choice"

It was that or lose any chance of experiencing anything but misery and degeneration into self destruction by staynig too long in a phase of spiritual develpment that I had outgrown--self injury

Though my spiritual discipline is "Heathen" to many folks here, I have ever received afiirmation for the posts and threads I have offered.

Offer condemnation and I will activate reciprocal condemnation in defense.

Offer love from within and recieve love activated from another, one of the treasures within each of us.

[Zerbie]

I think Scotty's post hits the point, and I'm not sure I've fully digested it yet.

Daniel too, for he points out that sometimes a person just reads a post first, and therefore is a first respondent. That seems simple. Some people have more discretionary time to spend here than others. They (we) are more likely to post frequently.

Scotty seems to nail something though, with the comment about vibrations. When I read this OP my eyebrows knit and I felt irritated and annoyed. It elicited a negative response from me. Here are they whys:

We cannot neglect the fact that this is a public forum. We cannot (short of banning someone's participation) regulate who speaks/posts here or how often:'(.

If someone felt "slammed" when they asked for advice, I suspect that in most cases they received advice that was written with kindly intentions, yet not expressed in the way one is most likely to 'click' with.

I've participated in numerous internet fora over the years and this one is by LIGHTYEARS AWAY the kindest, gentlest one I have ever found. On other boards where I've participated, we see daily cuss words and angry name-calling. This is hardly an unfriendly internet place. The regulars here are all well-intentioned. If someone feels upset or insulted by a post, chances are good it is simply a misunderstanding that the rest of us will feel glad to clear up. But we can't do that if we don't know someone is upset.

Sometimes an individual says they want advice when they really do not, and such a person becomes angry when advice comes. Other times, advice is given unsolicited, like in your recent post where you were not asking for advice, but for moral support. But people are talkative and talk they will. Post on the internet in the knowledge that sometimes you will receive a response you may not like.

My suggestion to these people who felt 'slammed' by one or two individuals is to ignore what doesn't help them; go ahead and hit the "ignore" button by a person's name if they don't want to read a particular person's posts, and continue chatting with the people they ARE connecting to and DO like. The great thing about the internet is that we can choose to do so.

The main thing that irritated me about your post is that we have asked ourselves before whether we are as welcoming as we want to be and think we are, or whether there is more we can do (or maybe even less we can do, if we're coming on too strong) to allow new visitors to be comfortable. This is a concern I once started an entire thread about, but it seems you didn't bother to search and find out if this has ever been talked about before.

The other thing that irritated me was your reprimand 'this is not a game.' Well, most of SF is about activism, advocacy, and support, and in that sense is nothing to take lightly. But we DO have a general chat section (this is it) where we are invited to chat with one another about fun topics, movies, games, recipes, vacations, etc. And yes, when it comes right down to it, several of the regulars DO enjoy playing, and will play with one another right on the board - posting smiley faces, etc. It's called socialization. It is a basic human need. Those members have every right to play games, post smileys, etc. Your comment registered with me as an attack specifically towards one very precious and dear individual who I regard as a sister. I will not allow someone to berate her in public for engaging in social behavior she has every right to enjoy.

[Daniel]

I actually agree with Daniel Ray and his correspondents. I have seen the thing he describes and am pretty sure I know to whom he refers.

You know whom he refers to? How lovely. Now we're descended into gossip land.

For Christ's Sake, we are talking about people, not a thing. And if anyone wants to point the finger at someone then I hope that person will do what is supposed to be the 'Christian' thing to do and go to that person directly and deal with the situation.

Enough of this already!

[Zerbie]

This conversation is really upsetting me. Is there some way we can have this conversation without the negativity? (may not be possible)

It is important that an organization such as SF and this forum, as it's, well, sort of, social representative (does that make sense??) be as welcoming as possible to all people touched by the issues SF was created to address. We don't want to be scaring off people who are searching for emotional support, advocacy, or to have their legitimate and heartfelt questions addressed. Otoh, I see us all trying, from the depth of our hearts, to BE as welcoming and friendly as possible. I don't know that we can try much harder.

[keltic63]

This conversation is really upsetting me. Is there some way we can have this conversation without the negativity? (may not be possible)

It is important that an organization such as SF and this forum, as it's, well, sort of, social representative (does that make sense??) be as welcoming as possible to all people touched by the issues SF was created to address. We don't want to be scaring off people who are searching for emotional support, advocacy, or to have their legitimate and heartfelt questions addressed. Otoh, I see us all trying, from the depth of our hearts, to BE as welcoming and friendly as possible. I don't know that we can try much harder.

it does feel as though we're airing our dirty laundry in public, no?

I too feel that we do our best to make people feel welcome, as well as offer the best advice we can offer from our own experience.

Is it possible that these unnamed members who felt slammed, in reality, just didn't like the responses their posts elicited? I know that I offered some advice to someone who asked for advice, then was told in no uncertain terms that they weren't really interested in what I had to say. I've simply avoided responding to that person now.

From our dear Scotty's post, I gleaned something important, that I knew, but is always good to have a reminder: I see that we activate the emotional vibrations that we send. The emotional vibrations from the original post of this thread made me feel as if we were collectively having our fingers smacked. and now I see the strong emotional reactions that post is having.

truth gets messy. love tends to clean it up.

[Zerbie]

Great post, Steve, wow! :)

[daniel Ray]

Very interesting comments guys. You've all made some very good points. On the vibration issue - there is a lot of that going on within the entire forum, good, negative, humerous, etc., etc. As was pointed out, this is a public forum, open to all. One could expect anything.

If you carefully read my origional post here you will realize that not a single name was named, there was absolutely no finger pointed at any one individual, yet some have obviously precieved themselves to be targets. I find that most interesting of all!

I will quickly admit that i dont always use the sweetest wordage, which actually is nonintentional, and admittedly have much left to learn in my life.

Now, personally i would like to learn how to help those who have need and find a way to encourage them to continue here, if that's ok with the rest of you. Believe it or not i actually have much love to give and bless each one of you. Most sincerely!

[daniel Ray]

This conversation is really upsetting me. Is there some way we can have this conversation without the negativity? (may not be possible)

[QUOTE]It is important that an organization such as SF and this forum, as it's, well, sort of, social representative (does that make sense??) be as welcoming as possible to all people touched by the issues SF was created to address. We don't want to be scaring off people who are searching for emotional support, advocacy, or to have their legitimate and heartfelt questions addressed. Otoh, I see us all trying, from the depth of our hearts, to BE as welcoming and friendly as possible. I don't know that we can try much harder.

Excellent Zerbie! This is the point:D

[tymejumper]

From our dear Scotty's post, I gleaned something important, that I knew, but is always good to have a reminder: I see that we activate the emotional vibrations that we send. The emotional vibrations from the original post of this thread made me feel as if we were collectively having our fingers smacked. and now I see the strong emotional reactions that post is having.


I agree with you that it feels like we have had our fingers smacked. I have found that people are very supportive here and yes sometimes I don't like what I read, but I either realize it was not intended that way or I don't personalize. Other people may have things going on in their lives that we don't understand and we should be a bit tolerant. This is not to say that if a person continously puts others down, well that speaks of a different matter all together now does it not?

I also feel that if you have a problem with someones posts to the point it upsets you, you need to send them a PM and ask them what the heck they mean and are you interpeting it correctly? To go to another person and complain smacks of high school and is, in my opinion, very immature. (i am sure someone will be offended at that also)Nor is it appropriate for another member to air someone elses differences. We are all responsible for making SoulForce what we want it to be.

[Daniel]

Anyone who logged on and read the post I made in this space a hour ago read the words of a very angry man.

I regret writing those words. Not very nonviolent of me.

That said, I want to address a matter here of some importance- at least to me.

There are certain things which really push my buttons. The whiff of sanctimony, the lingo of modern Christianity which instructs rather than nutures, the arrogance that I see in myself in others, the wagging finger of the morally righteous.

Those are all things I had to deal with as a former Assembly of God person- things I thought I left behind. However, I am not unaware that I still carry my own baggage. And while I know no attempt was made to attack my person, I did, however, feel attacked- like I did oh so many years ago.

The ghosts of things past.....

What does a self-professing Buddhist do in a situation like this? Go sit on a cushion and get quiet.

And that's what I'm going to do. And I will sit there and extend compassion to myself and then to everyone else caught up in this maelstrom of energy. I only hope we will each do what we can to give ourselves and each other the peace, joy and happiness that we all seek.

Namaste.

[tdogg]

Already i have had two members PM me to converse because they feel like they are not getting what they need from thier posts. In fact they both felt that they had been misunderstood, they had made posts to garner advice but instead, felt slammed. These people have serious issues and need proper guidance, therefore i have encouraged them to continue but i dont expect they will.

Perhaps the straightforward approach is best here - if you feel you have been misunderstood, or need clarification on someone's post, how about PM'ing them and asking for clarification or a continuation of dialogue so both parties are better understood. Then you can all return to the thread and keep it going.

As a new member, my observation is that there are a few people who appear to be controlling the board. Some seem to have a need to inject thier opinions, always first. Just because you have an opinion does'nt mean everyone wants to hear it or that your opinion is appropriate to every case. I see what i will refer to as "the watchdogs" of SF, diligently makeing an effort to do what they must honestly believe is right but turning away some at the gate. Yes, you're right - Similar to what i'm attempting here. Others are rampantly making posts simply in an effort to "score"; lets see who can have the most posts! This is not a game.

It's probably more that there are a few members who are very often on the forums, not that they actually control the forums. It's a matter of who's on when you post. Sometimes you'll get quick responses and sometimes you won't. The moderators do an excellent job, trust them. Also, Daniel has a great idea - if you are interested, see if there's a need for an additional moderator. With some training, it might be a good fit?

Obviously there are some intelligent, well educated people here who offer excellent advice through a keen understanding and knowledge.

So this sounds like you are saying there are some unintelligent, not well educated people here?? Again, without knowing someone personally, it would be difficult to come to this conclusion. If it's regarding spelling, check yours. Otherwise, it may be more kind to assume we are all intelligent and well educated. I can vouch for having an off day here and there. About 1/2 my posts sound intelligent after I submit and about 1/2 sound really stupid. I am neither unintelligent (significantly above average) or non well education (college, certificate, excellent job with high pay and tremendous responsibility). Get to know the people before casting judgment on intelligence and education.

My intention is simply an effort to promote greater insight. We all make mistakes, please just keep in mind, some peoples needs may be obscure in the beginning.

Goes back to using the ignore button if you feel someone constantly pushes your buttons, or better yet - just take what you can from the post and move on.

Thanks for considering this - everyone matters. :love:

Everyone does matter. Even those who you feel may not be intelligent and well educated.

Obviously this is an internet forum and not a face-to-face or even telephone conversation. Normally, face-to-face, one gets the gist of body language and even tone. On the internet, you have to rely almost 100% on the actual text. It isn't always easy to understand exactly what someone is meaning in their words. The best way to get the meaning is to ask them if you aren't clear.

If someone responds to your post and it doesn't appear they fully understand where you are coming from, then perhaps a PM to them to explain better (or even on the thread), in a non-threatening and non-accusatory tone. It's important not to take a response personally if you aren't sure it is personal.

[paul]

I've participated in numerous internet fora over the years and this one is by LIGHTYEARS AWAY the kindest, gentlest one I have ever found. On other boards where I've participated, we see daily cuss words and angry name-calling. This is hardly an unfriendly internet place. The regulars here are all well-intentioned. If someone feels upset or insulted by a post, chances are good it is simply a misunderstanding that the rest of us will feel glad to clear up. But we can't do that if we don't know someone is upset.

Ditto.

I came here in a crises. I was friendless (really, literally). I had been "out" for about 6 months. My "outing" wasn't smooth and fluffy, I lost almost everyone. So, I launched into cyberworld in search of friends. I went to several places till I found this place (I knew about SF, but did get an invite from emproph). My experience was like Zerbies, I found this LIGHTYEARS AWAY the kindest.

We are in cyberworld though. I've read studies that indicate that up to 80% of communication is non-verbal. That gives me pause. I cannot count the times I have projected my own feelings on what someone has written, or vice versa. Feelings, attitudes that simply were either not there, or not there in the way I took it. I think that is easier to do when your feeling raw and needy. Even good medicine can hurt when applied to an open wound.

I have never been in a relationship worth having where I didn't at some point offend or get offended. Sometimes it turns out I am over sensitive for very real and valid reasons, sometimes not. If we discount people because they offend, we will end up with no one in our lives. Okay yeah, I know, there are degrees and everyone sets their own limits. But one of the goals of this place is to practice loving our enemies...how much more our friends?

Below is my list of just some of the people (in random order!) who have impacted me here (and damn, I know I'm leaving people out-altzheimers). People I count as friends, and in many respects, lifesavers.

Zerbie
Vanessa
Keltic
Daniel
U-dog
emproph
t-dogg
redneckdyke
alecto
andrewlittle

[andrewlittle]

Periodically, we get these. Whether we like them or not, think they are timely or not, feel attacked or not, we get calls to re-examine who we are and what we do - and we get an invitation to grow or not.

With each injection of new folks we also perceive new sensibilities, new passions, new baggage (some softside and some iron-clad) and new needs. This is the stuff of new blood. Is it always welcome? Hell no, it isn't! Is it always necessary? Only if we want to stay healthy and true to intent. Perspectives from new participants can be discomforting, especially to long-term members, but they help maintain health.

Being able to criticize and receive criticism is a sign of health. The pattern of response is quite predictable - after all we are human. Criticism can make us feel defensive and angry - actually, it usually does. But, in a healthy environment, that is followed by Daniel's example of pulling out the proverbial (or very real, in Daniel's case) meditation pillow. Following that, it is necessary to sort through the stuff raised and see if there are kernals of truth that we should be seeing. Sometimes there aren't, but usually ...

Just as has been suggested to Daniel Ray, there comes a time to dissect the chicken - to look for the meat and to throw away what we can't eat. There is something in every chicken that is nutritious (vegetarians, please excuse my choice of metaphor), but it's not the same for every person. I can't stomach eating the feet, but some consider them a delicacy.

As a new member of only 17 days i have realized a need concerning these forums. Already i have had two members PM me to converse because they feel like they are not getting what they need from thier posts. In fact they both felt that they had been misunderstood, they had made posts to garner advice but instead, felt slammed. These people have serious issues and need proper guidance, therefore i have encouraged them to continue but i dont expect they will.
There is a very positive statement here. Things worked - relationships were developed in which someone felt they could be open and honest in private. The ability to communicate privately, as well as publicly, bore fruit.

As a new member, my observation is that there are a few people who appear to be controlling the board. Some seem to have a need to inject thier opinions, always first. Just because you have an opinion does'nt mean everyone wants to hear it or that your opinion is appropriate to every case. I see what i will refer to as "the watchdogs" of SF, diligently makeing an effort to do what they must honestly believe is right but turning away some at the gate. Yes, you're right - Similar to what i'm attempting here. Others are rampantly making posts simply in an effort to "score"; lets see who can have the most posts! This is not a game.
This has been discussed the most already. It is rife with judgment - but, just as judgment is not necessarily good, not all judgment is bad. It may be very difficult to pick through this chicken for the wholesome parts, but they're there. If I could distill this down to something I could use, I would offer that it is a call to try to see the need being expressed in a post.

Sometimes I react first, and post out of my need to be heard or to express an opinion. Okay, is that bad? I don't think so. But, when I do that, I make it about me. If someone is expressing a need, I will not likely see it clearly. Okay, let's be honest, I usually don't - I can be slow on the uptake. I would also offer, though, that it is not MY job to answer everyone's need. Collectively, it would be nice if someone recognized the need and responded, and I think that was done.

On a public forum, it is incumbent on each participant to sort though the meal that is offered up, or for someone to help others do the sorting if they can't do that themselves. Daniel Ray, you helped do that with a couple of people - which makes it a blessing that you were here.

But, Daniel Ray, your comments also show that you want this forum to be about something very specific. That is, in itself, a desire to CONTROL - to image the boards to conform to your vision and, to some extent, to judge other kinds of participation as "good" or "bad". This continued with the remarks about "intelligent people" and "we all make mistakes".

As with any public forum, this one is a lot of things - people find their nutrition in a lot of ways. You have called us to re-examine ourselves - a good and right thing. You, however, must do the same. Rather than judge other's participation on the forums, judge your own. If you perceive needs being unmet, meet them. Don't worry about making the forums conform to you expectations, but make your participation live into the ideals and sensibilities that you have. As Daniel and others say often, "be the change you want to see."

Overall, I am very glad you brought this up. It gives me yet another opportunity to self-reflect and re-examine what I call nutrition and what I call waste. Thanks for caring.

[keltic63]

Below is my list of just some of the people (in random order!) who have impacted me here (and damn, I know I'm leaving people out-altzheimers). People I count as friends, and in many respects, lifesavers.

Zerbie
Vanessa
Keltic
Daniel
U-dog
emproph
t-dogg
redneckdyke
alecto
andrewlittle

it's an amazing thing to me. at any point, I know I can go to these people and others for advice. I seem to know instinctively who to go to for the various situations I find myself in, and I'm never disappointed in their wisdom. I don't always like what these people have to say, I don't always like the way they say it, BUT I do know that there are wise people here and I need to pay attention to what they say.

[paul]

Overall, I am very glad you brought this up. It gives me yet another opportunity to self-reflect and re-examine what I call nutrition and what I call waste. Thanks for caring.

Excellent post Andy.

One more pennies worth to Daniel Ray.

17 days is not a very long time. I know my own opinions of some people here have changed in time. Initial impressions that I have had about some have proven to be flat out wrong. I think it takes longer to really get to know someone in cyberworld, which is odd because things seem to go so fast.

it's an amazing thing to me. at any point, I know I can go to these people and others for advice. I seem to know instinctively who to go to for the various situations I find myself in, and I'm never disappointed in their wisdom. I don't always like what these people have to say, I don't always like the way they say it, BUT I do know that there are wise people here and I need to pay attention to what they say.

Keltic,

Me to. Amazing and wonderful.

[Zerbie]

Anyone who logged on and read the post I made in this space a hour ago read the words of a very angry man.

I regret writing those words. Not very nonviolent of me.

That said, I want to address a matter here of some importance- at least to me.

There are certain things which really push my buttons. The whiff of sanctimony, the lingo of modern Christianity which instructs rather than nutures, the arrogance that I see in myself in others, the wagging finger of the morally righteous.

Those are all things I had to deal with as a former Assembly of God person- things I thought I left behind. However, I am not unaware that I still carry my own baggage. And while I know no attempt was made to attack my person, I did, however, feel attacked- like I did oh so many years ago.

The ghosts of things past.....

What does a self-professing Buddhist do in a situation like this? Go sit on a cushion and get quiet.

And that's what I'm going to do. And I will sit there and extend compassion to myself and then to everyone else caught up in this maelstrom of energy. I only hope we will each do what we can to give ourselves and each other the peace, joy and happiness that we all seek.

Namaste.

This is a really brave post, Daniel. :love::love::love:
Thank you for your openness.

[scott snedeker]

Rasser frassrr youtube grr!

[scott snedeker]

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[Daniel]

Thanks for the bringing a smile to my face. Made me feel like a kid....kinda like this.....

The real me...underneath all the rubble.....when I could feel this kind of love even though I didn't yet know what grown up love was all about.

[Zerbie]

Thanks for the bringing a smile to my face. Made me feel like a kid....kinda like this.....

The real me.....underneath all the rubble.....when I could feel this kind of love even though I didn't yet know what grown up love was all about.

AWWWWWWW!!!!!!!
:love::love::love::love:

[Daniel]

Has this film been released? On DVD? In theatre's now?

Here's to love with all it's tears, highs, lows and everything in between! :magic::flower:

[Zerbie]

Am I the only one who couldn't hear the words to that song???

The visuals looked sweet.
:love:

[Daniel]

Am I the only one who couldn't hear the words to that song???

The visuals looked sweet.
:love:

Would love to know what the lyrics are.....Scotty! Please! :agree::love: Any idea?

[Gregory_de_Bois]

Periodically, we get these. Whether we like them or not, think they are timely or not, feel attacked or not, we get calls to re-examine who we are and what we do - and we get an invitation to grow or not.

Damn, that could be the beginning of a sermon. (Pardon my language)
And this is never so timely as in the Season of Lent, that is, the whole self-reflection, re-examination thing. I have been noticing that (not really here) I have been very aggressive (in thought) towards those who disagree with some of my views. I have taken certain statements (nearly always wrongly) as attacks against myself (primarily at school). I think that is Christ's message to me for a while, that is what he wants me to work on: nonviolence in all aspects of who I am, especially my thought. Now that I return from the rabbit trail. I think that this call to re-examination is interesting. I haven't seen any sort of "board-controlling" but I might just be in the wrong boards. (I tend to ignore the ones where I miss the first few pages and you guys are already on page 8, just a little too much extra reading for me).

[scott snedeker]

The title of the movie is Shortbus one word. It is available on netflix. The soundtrack is fantastic!

I rented it one year ago by random selection of Gay movies......I thought. It turns out that the movie Shortbus is an urban film adaptation of the Radical faeries on Short Mountain. This started my spiritual transformation and where I found my Faerie Name, Ash Phoenix

It was an experience that reinforced what my beloved Adrain taught me in one of my darkest hours.

"Scotty, When you are doing what you should be, the universe conspires to help you."

This was the first sign of love from the universe that I recognized. I was living inside my new favorite movie! I even met two of the actors from the movie! I know now that it was because I was doing the right thing for me. Now I see it all over, but I must face the right direction and open my eyes to see it.
The Lyrics go:

We all bear the scars

yes we all feign a laugh

we all cry...in the dark

get cut off before we start

And as your first act begins

You realize they're all waiting

For a fall,.....for a flaw

For the end.....

There's a path...stained with tears

Could you talk to quiet my fears?

And could you pull me aside?

Just to acknowlege...that I tried!

And as your last breath begins

Contently..... take it in

"cause we all get it in.......the end

And as your last breath begins

You find your demon's your best friend

And we all get it in.......the end




Definitely see the movie. You will be changed!

[Daniel]

It was an experience that reinforced what my beloved Adrain taught me in one of my darkest hours.

"Scotty, When you are doing what you should be, the universe conspires to help you."

This was the first sign of love from the universe that I recognized. I was living inside my new favorite movie! I even met two of the actors from the movie! I know now that it was because I was doing the right thing for me. Now I see it all over, but I must face the right direction and open my eyes to see it.

Will definitely see the movie! And the words spoken to you ring true with me. I really believe that.....though sometimes forget. Thank you for the reminder.

That is- to Re-Mind, to put it back in the mind.

[paul]

Scotty,

thank you for posting the video. brought tears to my eyes.

"When you are doing what you should be, the universe conspires to help you."

this is perfect all by itself.:love:paul

[scott snedeker]

Scotty,

thank you for posting the video. brought tears to my eyes.





Then definitely rent the movie!:D