Sick 'test'

[Zerbie]

Hi all,

I'm linking to a story from PFAW's right-wing watch regarding the AFA re-directing their links to them to a "good person test," which is bizarrely written and horribly skewed.

I just took it, or, rather, most of it. And my answers prove the Bible wrong. :rolleyes:

Of course, that is not the test's conclusion: the test basically told me I'm not me because some book said I'm not. Here's what I mean by that: The test actually responded that it did not believe me. :confused: :rolleyes: I quite do not understand the mindset of anyone who would write such a test. At a certain point I had to stop since there was no way to select an accurate response (none given to choose from.)

If you're up for something ridiculous and irritating, take the test for yourself. Otherwise, just read the short blurb. Basically, their tests tells you that you are automatically going to "hell." :rolleyes::confused: Surely, no one falls for this ridiculous junk? :confused:

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/2008/05/afa_wants_us_to.html?tr=y&auid=3712852

[Alecto]

Honestly, I actually found it funny. It's so simplistic and reductionist....and, yeah, I laughed hysterically that if you answer any way they don't like, they want you to change your answer.

[BruceChris]

Zerb, I started to take this monomaniacal "test", and I left well before I got to what must have been it's inevitable end. I might almost say that I might then have about as much use for Christianity as you do, except that I know some people that I chose to see as *real* Christians. I want to be more like them. You are right; this test does not give you a realistic list of more than two choices, anywhere.

Here's another one for you. Some *Christians* will say that God does not listen to sinners. And most Christians will say that we are *ALL* sinners. So just where in the hell does that leave us?

I have positive reasons for trying to be a better Christian, I don't allow anyone else's negativity to sidetrack me into arguments that do not have to be made. Well, almost never.

Incidentally, the answers to questions like "have you ever lied, or stolen" on the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory, or MMPI are used on their Truth Scale. If you admit to ordinary human failings, the test assumes that you are probably telling the truth. If you try to say that you have never done any of these things, the Truth Scale then puts you in the Goody Two-Shoes category, and assumes that you never admit faults.

"Nothing is better than eternal happiness, and a ham sandwich is better than nothing." Same kinda logic.

Namaste', Bruce Chris

[BrianB]

That test reminds me of the program that Kirk Cameron (the child star) and Ray Comfort do called The Way of the Master. Kirk and Ray ambush people on the street and ask them similar questions to the ones on the test. When a person has answered yes to a few questions they are called a lying, adulterous, blaspheming thief. The unfortunate "sinner" is going to hell unless they pray right there on the street, repent of their sins and receive Jesus as their Lord and Saviour. It makes me wonder how many of those conversions are genuine; and how many are just because the person has the stuffing scarred out of them.

[Zerbie]

Incidentally, the answers to questions like "have you ever lied, or stolen" on the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory, or MMPI are used on their Truth Scale. If you admit to ordinary human failings, the test assumes that you are probably telling the truth. If you try to say that you have never done any of these things, the Truth Scale then puts you in the Goody Two-Shoes category, and assumes that you never admit faults.


Namaste', Bruce Chris

:eek:

What?! What if you never HAVE lied or stolen? (Not saying that all applies to me; I stole a few pencils in second grade.:o:p Felt terrible and put them back soon after. :p)

[Zerbie]

That test reminds me of the program that Kirk Cameron (the child star) and Ray Comfort do called The Way of the Master. Kirk and Ray ambush people on the street and ask them similar questions to the ones on the test. When a person has answered yes to a few questions they are called a lying, adulterous, blaspheming thief. The unfortunate "sinner" is going to hell unless they pray right there on the street, repent of their sins and receive Jesus as their Lord and Saviour. It makes me wonder how many of those conversions are genuine; and how many are just because the person has the stuffing scarred out of them.

Or one might respond using my dad's usual tactic which is to disarm with an immediate: "Oh! You're absolutely right. I will do that right now." Big disarming smile. 10 seconds later: forgotten.

[BruceChris]

That reminds me of what the Christians and Moslems used to do to each other during the Crusades. Only instead of using guilt and fear of hell to get the other to *convert*, they just did it at the point of a sword. Much simpler.

P&L, BC

[Zerbie]

But what if someone has never stolen? Never lied? Are you saying that it's standard amongst personality tests, or just a standard of that ONE test, to assume that everyone has?
So if someone has never stolen, and they truthfully answer that, the assumption is that they steal AND lie? Therefore the test outcome will be quite incorrect. :disagree:

[BrianB]

Or one might respond using my dad's usual tactic which is to disarm with an immediate: "Oh! You're absolutely right. I will do that right now." Big disarming smile. 10 seconds later: forgotten.

I find these videos amusing. Hopefully you will find them amusing too!
http://www.wayofthemaster.com/watchwitnessing.shtml#

[BruceChris]

And maybe 15 or 20 seperate scales. Massive amounts of time and energy have been put into validating these scales.

The Truth Scale has 10 or 15 questions, I would guess. If you admit to a reasonable number, that is normal. If you don't admit to ANY of them, you are probably either a pathological liar, :eek:, in total denial, :sick:, or Mother Teresa. :pray: :love: :good:.........:rolleyes: :lol: :laughing: :rofl:

You are beginning to show a rise on the Paranoia scale, or perhaps this is just a misunderstanding. I wonder how any of us might score on the Male-Female scale?

Namaste', Bruce Chris

[Zerbie]

And maybe 15 or 20 seperate scales. Massive amounts of time and energy have been put into validating these scales.

The Truth Scale has 10 or 15 questions, I would guess. If you admit to a reasonable number, that is normal. If you don't admit to ANY of them, you are probably either a pathological liar, :sick:, in total denial, :eek:, or Mother Teresa. :pray: :love: :good:.........:rolleyes: :lol: :laughing: :rofl:

What are the questions and where can we find them?


You are beginning to show a rise on the Paranoia scale, or perhaps this is just a misunderstanding.

More like a rise in the What kind of BS assumes you are lying? scale.

I wonder how any of us might score on the Male-Female scale?

Namaste', Bruce Chris

I would love to know that, too! Where can we find that scale and take those questions!! :lol::lol::p

Some 'brain test' I took years ago said I was exactly half male and half female in psychological and task-performance brain function, or something like that. One of those weird free tests, so, grain of salt. But I chuckled b/c that is how I perceive myself sometimes. :p

[tymejumper]

I'm sorry, but I needed a laugh, so I took the test. The main reason that other people are turned off to Christianity, is because of manical idiots like those whom make tests like these. I had to laugh becuase I don't believe in Hell. I don't believe the creator/goddess/god would be such a hateful parental figure that they would forever send their much loved child to a place(a forever time out) with NO chance at redemption. That does not speak of a loving being and all knowing being to me! I am certainly not perfect, but I would ALWAYS leave MY children a way back to me, and if you sent them to Hell, there would be no way back, accorrding to the Bible.


Obviously, someone has way too much time on their hands if that is the best thing they can do with it! They need to go save some unborn babies or something, be usefull.

[keltic63]

Obviously, someone has way too much time on their hands if that is the best thing they can do with it! They need to go save some unborn babies or something, be usefull.

What they need to do is help those women who decided against having abortions because of their rhetoric and restrictive laws. Once that baby is born, they don't seem to care what happens to it, and, should that baby grow up to become a serious criminal, these "pro-lifers" are more than happy to flip the switch and administer the lethal injections.

[pnggrad79]

First of all, I abhor scare tactics Christianity. Nothing has done more harm to the message and mission of Jesus Christ than things like this. Jesus was not about doing all that. He drew people by his example, and his words and his actions, not bullying them into believing in him.

A few years ago there was a play going around different churches called "Heaven's Gates, Hell's Flame" and the script would go to a church and church members were assigned or auditioned for the roles which included everything from drug dealers, pushers, addicts, homosexuals, prostitutes, crooked politicians, etc.. And they would perform vignettes where they reject Jesus and immediately something kills them and they are transported to the Judgment Seat of Christ. The book is opened and the angel looks up the person's name, and it isn't found of course. The angel points to the person and says, "You are not in the Book of Life, you are destined to spend your life in hell." Then scary looking demons are pouncing on stage literally dragging the person to a dark scary place screaming and yelling. Alternately, "good" people like Sunday school teachers, policeman, nurses, doctors, deacons in the church, show how they have loved Jesus all their lives and asked him to be their savior and they too die suddenly, and when they get to the Book of Life, the angel smiles and welcomes them into heaven and suddenly Jesus appears at their side and escorts them into this blissful eternity.

It is very dramatic and moving and coerces people into escaping this doomed fortune. They flood the front of the church at the invitation and rooms are set up for them to register their decision. Funny thing, they never step foot in a church again after that. Not only is it biblically inaccurate, it is sensationalism and coercive and demeaning to a person's sense of correct behavior.

I hate coercive Christianity. I have my beliefs and am secure in that, but if anyone tries to jam what they believe down my throat, that is where I draw the line. I wrote a letter to the editor of the Southern Baptist Standard magazine protesting this play and how it was just to increase numbers and really didn't focus on the person's spiritual condition or helping them or teaching them anything about God. Their only intention was the scare the hell out of people. To me is it unconscionable, reprehensible and no wonder people are dropping out of church like flies, because they don't present a Jesus that gives a rip about anyone, it is strong arm tactics and forced.

Jesus said his way was a stumbling block to people and he didn't want people to be forced into anything, that was the way of the law and he came to complete the law or show that it was impossible to please God by obeying the law. When are these idiots going to get it?

[Zerbie]

A few years ago there was a play going around different churches called "Heaven's Gates, Hell's Flame"

It is very dramatic and moving and coerces people into escaping this doomed fortune. They flood the front of the church at the invitation and rooms are set up for them to register their decision.



:eek:
People fall for this?!?!?!?! :confused::confused::confused:

[pnggrad79]

Not only do they fall for it they grab onto it like a lifeline! I actually participated in it and saw the hypocrisy and inaccuracy and bowed out of the role I had been assigned. I went to the pastor and showed him in the Bible how inaccurate it really was, and he just patronized me, put his arm around my shoulder and said, "It doesn't really matter how accurate it is, as long as people are saved and that is what we are all about. Don't worry your pretty little head about all this. Look how many people are here and committing their lives to the Lord" This angered me further and I basically started looking for a way out. It really disillusioned me about the church and its motives and how unlike Christ they really are.

[tymejumper]

What they need to do is help those women who decided against having abortions because of their rhetoric and restrictive laws. Once that baby is born, they don't seem to care what happens to it, and, should that baby grow up to become a serious criminal, these "pro-lifers" are more than happy to flip the switch and administer the lethal injections.



I completely agree. I wonder, if the unborn baby they save turns out to be gay, will they be upset they saved it?

They really need to lift people up and stop trying to guilt everyone into salvation!

[tymejumper]

:eek:
People fall for this?!?!?!?! :confused::confused::confused:



Has anyone heard of "Hell House"? It's actually put on by a church every Halloween. They show people all these different senarios that they feel is wrong and sinful and will supposedly lead you to Hell. Of course there is a scene of a gay couple and they burn up and an abortion clinic performing an abortion with blood and drug use and all kinds of stuff, pre-marital sex etc and so on. It's incredibly sick and depraved. Only good so called christians could think of that stuff! I don't think Jesus or their God would be appreciative of it at all and proably angry at the way the Bible has been twisted to suit their needs.

[Zerbie]

Yeah, but in my case only because Nate posted about one here. Otherwise, I would have never heard of such a ridiculous thing.

That is wrong on so many levels, I can't believe it. But I'm failing to understand why people wouldn't just wrinkle up their faces and say "That's nuts" to these 'test' people and 'play' people and 'hell house' people. Because it is simply NUTS.

[wmanion]

I had to answer that I was still not guilty even though, yes, I have sinned. However, the first question was if I was to be judged by God's law, and Because of God's love I am no longer under the law; I am under grace so I will be judged by grace and not by the law.

[Pablo Rafael]

This test is sort of a silly and simplistic test. However, the point it is trying to make has some validity in my opinion.

One key point of Christianity is that ALL have sinned. No one is perfect. All of us, from the prisoner on death row to Pope Benedict, have failed to live up to the perfection that God desires.

That is what makes the grace of God that flows to us from the cross so wonderful. God loves all of us equally. He died on the cross so that His perfection could become our perfection. No one can boast of being better than anyone else. All are forgiven children of God.

[matthewspeed]

That is what makes the grace of God that flows to us from the cross so wonderful. God loves all of us equally. He died on the cross so that His perfection could become our perfection. No one can boast of being better than anyone else. All are forgiven children of God.


So true Pablo. You have the grace of Jesus Christ down pat!;):love:

[BishopIoan]

Hi all,

I'm linking to a story from PFAW's right-wing watch regarding the AFA re-directing their links to them to a "good person test," which is bizarrely written and horribly skewed.

I just took it, or, rather, most of it. And my answers prove the Bible wrong. :rolleyes:

Of course, that is not the test's conclusion: the test basically told me I'm not me because some book said I'm not. Here's what I mean by that: The test actually responded that it did not believe me. :confused: :rolleyes: I quite do not understand the mindset of anyone who would write such a test. At a certain point I had to stop since there was no way to select an accurate response (none given to choose from.)

If you're up for something ridiculous and irritating, take the test for yourself. Otherwise, just read the short blurb. Basically, their tests tells you that you are automatically going to "hell." :rolleyes::confused: Surely, no one falls for this ridiculous junk? :confused:

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/2008/05/afa_wants_us_to.html?tr=y&auid=3712852

That is just RIDICULOUS! Why would anyone want to believe in that sort of God? And they can take a hike, given all of the right-wing Christian sex scandals. They just lie to themselves.