I’m looking for a good Christian debate forum. Any suggestions?

[Emproph]

I’m looking for a good religious forum or two to do some experiments in logic specifically related to the “Christian” arguments used to condemn homosexuals/homosexuality.

If possible, someplace with the user friendly format of this forum or the UMC boards (http://archives.umc.org/idealbb/default.asp?sessionID=19993CEC36CC4BCBA3808EDC4DED 2D7A) referred to in suzer’s thread (http://www.soulforce.org/forums/showthread.php?t=361). Where you can see a list of all the thread titles as opposed to an article and then option to post, but I'm open to the latter possibility as well.

I’ve been searching for days now, especially religious debate blogs/forums. (Google web, Google blogs, Google news on blogs), and either the format is not user friendly like I described above or like the UMC boards I don’t feel I necessarily belong there, or the threads that are active have 50+ to hundreds of replies to wade through. I’m willing to do that if need be, I just thought maybe someone might have a better referral. {or maybe they just don't have enough people starting new threads :confused:}

Someplace where questioning things like the merits of the belief in “Biblical inerrancy” would be appropriate but hopefully within the context of Christianity, not to condemn the belief itself but to extract the admission of it being a belief. Too often I hear, “God’s word says...,” which of course means “I believe this is God’s word and therefore I believe God’s word says...” With this particular example it’s the dishonesty or ignorance in presenting beliefs as fact that I wish to address.

If it can be established that belief is the source for their stance on gays, so be it, end of debate, OR, depending on the intellect, the debate then changes to the justification of potentially harmful behavior based solely on belief.

I realize issues like this are a can of worms anyway they're presented to true believers but that’s exactly what I want to try and undo by asking exactly the right questions and present exactly the right argument to get to the heart of the issue as quickly as possible, with as little bloodshed as possible.

{I also need to sharpen my skills at being civil in doing so.:pray:}

Any suggestions?

[NathanATX]

www.christianforums.com (.com not .org) ... they are heavily moderated. The only "debate forum" is under Ethics & Morality and Liberal Theology.

[Emproph]

I'll check it out, thanks Nathan. :rainbow:

[Emproph]

I feel like such a fool. I tried that site but it was a little slow, at least right now, but then I Googled Christian forums (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=christian+forums) and tons of sites came up. I just assumed they'd all come up under 'religious.'

Now, If anyone can just help with where to start first.... :lol:

-Thanks Nate, you got me rollin' :tup:

[NathanATX]

my fault... it's www.christianforums.com

[awediot]

For a widespread, near overwhelming breadth of povs: C.A.R.M. (http://www.christiandiscussionforums.org/v/index.php) Exact same style as here, just tenfold... (stole your fat font intro line though... sorry and thanks. Its flattery)

[Emproph]

my fault... it's www.christianforums.com
No, I got to your site the first time Nate, I was just saying that after I went there I decided to try Googling the words 'Christian forums' to see what would come up, and I got tons more results to choose from. :)

[Emproph]

For a widespread, near overwhelming breadth of povs: C.A.R.M. (http://www.christiandiscussionforums.org/v/index.php) Exact same style as here, just tenfold... (stole your fat font intro line though... sorry and thanks. Its flattery)
I've been to that site before, I didn't know they had forums though. This should be interesting, I've read some some real doozies in their main section before.

and regarding the intro, it's only fair, I stole it too. :lol:

[dewdrop_world]

I've been to that site before, I didn't know they had forums though. This should be interesting, I've read some some real doozies in their main section before.
I took a very brief look at CARM... wow :eek:

It would serve well as exhibit A to support the Buddha's idea that beliefs, while necessary at some stages on the journey, are ultimately hindrances to full awakening.

Same for beliefnet.com's forums. Very nasty.

hjh

[RKate]

shipoffools.com has a great set of forums. The main bulletin boards are for everyone (and there is lively debate on a variety of issues). It does have a private board as well for its glbt community (who are welcomed by the bulk of "the ship". The private board is called "Fair Havens" and you have to have special permission to join. Just send a PM to one of the hosts or admins and they'll tell you how to get into it.

[ExgayBiz]

You can join my exgay forum and debate at http://exgay.biz/id3.html

I’m looking for a good religious forum or two to do some experiments in logic specifically related to the “Christian” arguments used to condemn homosexuals/homosexuality.

If possible, someplace with the user friendly format of this forum or the UMC boards (http://archives.umc.org/idealbb/default.asp?sessionID=19993CEC36CC4BCBA3808EDC4DED 2D7A) referred to in suzer’s thread (http://www.soulforce.org/forums/showthread.php?t=361). Where you can see a list of all the thread titles as opposed to an article and then option to post, but I'm open to the latter possibility as well.

I’ve been searching for days now, especially religious debate blogs/forums. (Google web, Google blogs, Google news on blogs), and either the format is not user friendly like I described above or like the UMC boards I don’t feel I necessarily belong there, or the threads that are active have 50+ to hundreds of replies to wade through. I’m willing to do that if need be, I just thought maybe someone might have a better referral. {or maybe they just don't have enough people starting new threads :confused:}

Someplace where questioning things like the merits of the belief in “Biblical inerrancy” would be appropriate but hopefully within the context of Christianity, not to condemn the belief itself but to extract the admission of it being a belief. Too often I hear, “God’s word says...,” which of course means “I believe this is God’s word and therefore I believe God’s word says...” With this particular example it’s the dishonesty or ignorance in presenting beliefs as fact that I wish to address.

If it can be established that belief is the source for their stance on gays, so be it, end of debate, OR, depending on the intellect, the debate then changes to the justification of potentially harmful behavior based solely on belief.

I realize issues like this are a can of worms anyway they're presented to true believers but that’s exactly what I want to try and undo by asking exactly the right questions and present exactly the right argument to get to the heart of the issue as quickly as possible, with as little bloodshed as possible.

{I also need to sharpen my skills at being civil in doing so.:pray:}

Any suggestions?

[ExgayBiz]

I would like to invite Mel White to talk with me. I am curious how anyone could come to the conclusion from reading the Bible, that homosexuality is ok. I am sure all agree if you are looking for thus saith the lord you will find it in the Bible.

[Emproph]

You can join my exgay forum and debate at http://exgay.biz/id3.htmlDid you even read my original post? There's a plethora of things in that alone that you could address.

The point of my asking for sites is to find information from people like you. Since you're willing to be here, I'm assuming you'd be willing to debate here. Is this the case or not?

[ExgayBiz]

I can"t debate here. They erase any post I make, even scriptures from the Bible if they feel it is anti-homosexual

Did you even read my original post? There's a plethora of things in that alone that you could address.

The point of my asking for sites is to find information from people like you. Since you're willing to be here, I'm assuming you'd be willing to debate here. Is this the case or not?

[ExgayBiz]

Where is Mel White. Why want he come and chat with me?

Did you even read my original post? There's a plethora of things in that alone that you could address.

The point of my asking for sites is to find information from people like you. Since you're willing to be here, I'm assuming you'd be willing to debate here. Is this the case or not?

[keltic63]

Where is Mel White. Why want he come and chat with me?

Tony,

are you confused about how these forums work? You quoted emproph and asked him to bring out Mel White. Do you think that the members who arrived here before you are somehow part of a secret association? This isn't the Emerald City we're just forum members like you. We're not hiding the Wizard!

[NathanATX]

I would like to invite Mel White to talk with me. I am curious how anyone could come to the conclusion from reading the Bible, that homosexuality is ok. I am sure all agree if you are looking for thus saith the lord you will find it in the Bible.

Sweetheart, most of the regular posters on this site would be able to handle your questions with ease. You don't need Mel White, you need a peer.

[strangeonetoo]

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Hope you like it

[Matt Algren]

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Hope you like it
Yes, I'm sure we'll love a forum to discuss your hilarious t-shirts. Like the one that says "I support the right of gays to marry (people of the opposite sex)"

HI-larious.

Even moreso because of your explanation of it (link deleted), in which you make the tired old silly argument about pedophiles and rapists.
So, how does this become a problem? Well, it's like this… if gays can claim this is their natural God given right, and our government gives in and acknowledges this, does it not follow that pedophilia, rape, incest and other assorted minority sexual behaviors could be justified on the same logic? Do we really want this?

[Libre]

Have you been to ChristianForums? Or BeliefNet?

[sauu4equality]

I would like to invite Mel White to talk with me. I am curious how anyone could come to the conclusion from reading the Bible, that homosexuality is ok. I am sure all agree if you are looking for thus saith the lord you will find it in the Bible.

We are all curious as to how someone could be in this world and explore all this world has to offer and somehow come to the conclusion of self-hate or hate. Please, get to reading. There is more than one book in this world. There is more than one possibility of life's meaning. And there are certainly hundreds of different ways to interpret the Bible. You are not going to change your mind and that's fine. But you cannot honestly tell yourself that you are on this site for gentle and compassionate purposes. If you changed your sexual orientation, you were bi to begin with. Believe me. I would know. There are many outlets to discuss the topic you so desperately want to discuss. Soulforce exists as a gay-affirming organization. That is not going to change. There are so many people out there that need our message. Your message has been scientifically proven to be psychologically damaging.

The thoughts expressed above, while they are written by someone who feels like they are a part of Soulforce, express the feelings and opinions of the author and not necessarily those of Soulforce.

[Eugene]

I am curious how anyone could come to the conclusion from reading the Bible, that homosexuality is ok.

Most people, including heterosexuals, interpret the Bible in some measure from their own experience.

If my experience is anywhere near common, gay fundamentalist/evangelical Christians determine that homosexuality is OK when they decide that reading the Bible and prayer won't eradicate or alter sexuality. And then they decide that ideology isn't a substitute for companionship. And then they decide that Biblical interpretations that don't work should be discarded or changed.

And then they don't let heterosexual preachers (some of whom have six or more children and a perpetually pregnant wife) interpret the Bible for them.

[Theo Book]

I’m looking for a good religious forum or two to do some experiments in logic specifically related to the “Christian” arguments used to condemn homosexuals/homosexuality.

Anyone is welcome to come and debate on my new board, but behaviour is monitered. Not because of bad folks, but to remind ourselves we all respond to the image of God.

http://egorest.myfastforum.org/

[Emproph]

Seriously, I don't. And I'm not proud of it either. ;)

Anyone is welcome to come and debate on my new board, but behaviour is monitered. Not because of bad folks, but to remind ourselves we all respond to the image of God.

http://egorest.myfastforum.org/

Thanks for the tip, but at this point, it's rare that I hear an anti-gay argument or approach that I can't easily shred or rebut. I've paid my dues on that front. Fortunately that's true of a lot of people at this point. Here and on other sites.

Have you tangoed with them, on that site or others?

[Matt Algren]

Seriously, I don't. And I'm not proud of it either. ;)



Thanks for the tip, but at this point, it's rare that I hear an anti-gay argument or approach that I can't easily shred or rebut. I've paid my dues on that front. Fortunately that's true of a lot of people at this point. Here and on other sites.

Have you tangoed with them, on that site or others?
It's his board, and his arguments are old and pre-defeated.

[Daniel]

It's his board, and his arguments are old and pre-defeated.

Gotta say, that word made me smile. How'd a thunk? Pre-defeated! Very wordsmythe-y!

I can see the tea-shirts.....

You are pre-defeated!

or

Pre-defeat Now!

or simply

Pre-defeat!

[Emproph]

It's his board, and his arguments are old and pre-defeated.Thanks Matt, I completely missed the connection.

[RedneckDyke]

Not hiding the wizard. That's pretty funny.:)

I wonder why "ex gays" even come here. It must be frustrating banging their head against a wall. I don't go to hetero sites and tell them I'm an "ex-het" and that they could change. Maybe because I know it doesn't work that way.

Once I went to a demo outside a love won out conference. There was a feller there with a little dog. The dog was wearing a sign that said "ex-cat."
It was pretty funny.