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andrewlittle
02-11-2009, 01:40 PM
In another post, I described my ongoing interest in a virtual church - not simply a digital reporduction of a physical church or a place to pick and choose prayers and sermons, but a real and actual church meeting at predetermined (oops, there’s that Presbyterian word) time.

I envision a church gathering in cyberspace for communal worship and praise, as well as having a physical presence in each of the towns, cities and countries in which the “members” live. A church that enlivens mission, both individually and collectively, and promotes the notion of the “priesthood of all believers” actively engaged in the physical world as well as the cyber-sphere. It would be a church which has the same range of theological perspectives as any “real-world” church, but would have a space in which, unlike most churches today, those differences can be discussed respectfully and reverently.

It is a fledgling notion in my head, but one that is compelling me to move forward - although I am not sure how. It also compells me to test the waters of the Presbyterian Church (USA), to see if they would recognize such a church as a legitimate gathering and give it full standing as church.

So, I’m looking for like-minded Christians - perhaps those that have yet to find a bricks-and-mortar church in which they feel at home. We would need people with technical expertise to work collaberatively to “build” the church space, people with musical abilities and liturgical skills to help format services, people who would be willing to learn about Presbyterian tenets of faith and governance (upon which the US tripartite governance is based), but those who are willing to engage and worship together fully no matter any disagreements or controversies the members have.

How about it? Anyone else interested in this?

Church would have to be “done” very differently - wouldn’t it?

For instance, for pastoral care we’d have to make use of forums and blogs for public issues, and email, instant messaging and phone for private issues. I would have to set a shcedule of “office” hours when I was directly available - and the times would have to be at varied times to allow for people in different time zones. If this would develop, and there were enough people, we could establish a Deacons Board who could be primary pastoral care providers.

The Presbyterian structure requires elders - people who are ordained into lay ministry and leadership positions of the church. If there is any interest that develops, I would set up, initially, a separate page that would include instruction in the responsibility of ordained lay ministry in the Reformed tradition. Elders also form the “Session” which, with the minister as moderator, oversee the functions and structures of the church providing accountability and guidance.

I’ll take a step back, now, and see if there are comments that come in.

BenL
02-15-2009, 05:23 PM
Andy,

I have no trouble with the church (or individual churches) staking out a place in cyberspace. Our own congregation does it. But personally I don't think that worship, fellowship and mission/ministry in cyberspace would cut it for me. I think church is the one thing in my life that demands 3D, face-to-face presence.

Like many here, I turn to the Soulforce forums for expanded support from glbt people and allies ... or people like you and Jenna who think of themselves as straight queers or queer straights or whatever. But that doesn't take the place of church in three dimensions for me.

But when I think more about it, God is the ultimate occupant of cyberspace or any dimension outside of our perception, so why shouldn't we worship there as well? We in our brick-and-mortar churches believe God is everywhere, but is particularly present with us in our worship, so why wouldn't God be present anywhere people are praying and loving in God's name.

I guess I'm just too old or set in my ways to imagine myself into your vision of cyberchurch.

BrianB
02-17-2009, 12:44 AM
I can see this as a supplement to a bricks & mortar church. The Irish Jesuits have a prayer and meditation site http://www.sacredspace.ie Something like that would be a good start. It could be expanded as more people come on board.

One potential problem came to mind. People may tend to have a different experience of the church depending on their computer equipment. Some may not have a web cam. Others may not have speakers or a microphone. Those are important pieces of hardware for a live web cast.

I need to mull this idea over more.

u-dog
02-17-2009, 06:47 AM
Andy,

How about a virtual church using software like those online games where you create an avatar and then enter into the world and interact with other peoples avatars (what is that game called?). That could be cool. Wierd ... but cool.

andrewlittle
02-17-2009, 07:13 AM
Andy,

How about a virtual church using software like those online games where you create an avatar and then enter into the world and interact with other peoples avatars (what is that game called?). That could be cool. Wierd ... but cool.

Second Life is what I think you're talking about. I actually have met someone (virtually) that is the "music director" for a Second Life church. We've just met, and are negotiating through the process of how to have an ongoing conversation, considering my lack of experience with Second Life.

It would be weird, but then that's probably the attraction, eh?

BrianB
02-18-2009, 12:10 AM
Second Life is what I think you're talking about. I actually have met someone (virtually) that is the "music director" for a Second Life church. We've just met, and are negotiating through the process of how to have an ongoing conversation, considering my lack of experience with Second Life.

It would be weird, but then that's probably the attraction, eh?

A SL church or two would be great! However, Second Life is addicting. It also takes up lots of space on your hard drive. It is a great mission field. I had to quit. There is too much temptation of virtual porn on Second Life. Flying your avatar around to different places is pretty great.

BrianB
02-22-2009, 06:59 AM
There was a report on Religion and Ethics Weekly of a church that is web casting their service. They have real time text messages from people around the world. They also have what amounts to a television production room in the back of the church. Anyway here is a link to the report. http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/episodes/february-20-2009/joel-hunter/2279/