View Full Version : What can't some one "prove" by useing the Bible?
05-07-2006, 01:24 AM
I got the idea of this thread while looking through a couple others that seemed to get off track. What has ever happened in the Bible that you can't find a text some where else (in the Bible) to say the opposite thing? No matter what comes up, no matter what some one thinks they always seem to say "Well the Bible Says..."
So in this thread try to think about one time where there isn't the opposite thing said in another place....if you can think of such place/thing.... and please don't say the bible says.:)
05-07-2006, 09:11 AM
Ok this is satire, so please donít take it seriously.
We need to remember what Jesus teaches us about when we fail and by our words or actions deny Him or God. We see from the story of Judas betrayal of Jesus that he was overcome by guilt and shame knowing he had betrayed Jesus. So he gave all his money to the temple and went and took his own life. This is very important to see how one of the disciples acted when faced with the understanding of their failing the Lord. Judas did what was the most sensible thing for him to do that was to take his own life. Now if you think this is extreme lets look at that Jesus said to the expert of the law "Go and do likewise." So not only do we see the one of the disciples taking his life upon his failure to God but we have Jesus supporting his actions.
The best conclusion to these verses is we have a one shot at life. At our first sin we need to follow Jesus command and take our own lives. So I guess we had better start discussing which sins we should kill ourselves over and which we shouldnít. Personally I donít think small things like "little" lies and getting angry with your neighbour are big enough to kill yourself over. But then I do think sex outside of marriage is a biggie so maybe all the un-married non-virgins need to start getting things in order before they take their lives... oh I forgot wives who are not submissive is a big one too so wives who fail their families and there for fail God may need to consider their higher obligation to Gods command they take their lives.
Jennifer raises a good point that we can make the Bible say what ever we want it to say. Anyone can link any verses to make it appear to say something when in fact the context of the passages mean something else entirely. For example the fundamentalist coup de Graw verse for condemning homosexuality is Leviticus 20:13.
One of my favourite NCU incidents is when someone in one mf my classes tried to condemn homosexuality with this verse then I politely informed them that most homosexuals are not worshiping Molech. They were a bit taken back and I asked them if they had ever read the chapter to understand the context of the verse... sadly they hadnít so I recommended, in front of the entire class, they read the entire chapter then see if it still condemned all homosexuality or just homosexual practices tied with the worship or Molech.
the verses I quote are;
Matthew 27:5 So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself.
Luke 10:37 The expert in the law replied, "The one who had mercy on him." Jesus told him, "Go and do likewise."
05-07-2006, 04:04 PM
Thanks Venari, you understand exactly what I meant. :D
05-07-2006, 04:42 PM
Venari! You come through with a good one! "....go and do likewise!"
and yes, it is a biblical example. and if the Bible says it, I believe it!
My parents have spent some time around the Amish in Lancaster County PA. they have a way of picking out verses and applying them, hence the odd clothing and avoidance of modern conveniences. If pressed about their beliefs, they say "I believe what the church teaches" but you won't get much more than that. The church teaches pretty much what the bishops say, and bishops are elected by vote. So, in essence, no real study is required, just a popular vote, and a crude reading of the scriptures could end up with a staunch belief in something that just doesn't matter in the entire scheme of life.
05-10-2006, 08:25 AM
More and more, I find that people are like sheep-they are too lazy to search the Scripture themselves and depend on others to tell them what to believe. That was priceless what you did with that passage in Leviticus- I laughed. No we don't worship Molech. I haven't sacrificed my children lately, have you?
You can twist the Bible any way you want, to make it mean anything you want. That is why it is imperative to look at the whole picture, the context. GLBT people have been doing it for years. It has freed us from being sheep, and believing what the homophobic church has hammered into us all our lives.
05-10-2006, 08:38 AM
I guess that's why I put up that thread about hats. You could argue, successfully, that men shouldn't wear hats, especially if you ignore context and culture! (as so many do when using the Bible to do their gaybashing)
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