The Catholic Church gives Washington, D.C. an ultimatum on same-sex marriage

[JoanMVhn]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/11/AR2009111116943.html

:(
This is a devastating blow to my faith. I pray the Catholic Church will realize that threatening the people is wrong.

-Joan

[celestial_rain]

:( its things like this that have caused so many GLBT people to turn away from Christianity. Christ has so much to offer each and every one of us, but his own "followers" are pushing people away from him. I hope that some day that "Christians" actually read the Bible some day and realize that it does not say to discriminate against those you disagree with. :pray:

[scott snedeker]

Certainly not worse than torturing and burning people alive during the Inquisition. Threatening to abandon vulnerable people for political leverage to oppress and harm gay folk is quite a step in the right direction away from outright murder.

Next may be allowing women to decide if their inferior brains are capable of deciding whether or not they could become pregnant, but as it is now, only men possess the intelligence sufficient to decide for them. After all being a vessel for a man's sperm is the highest honor that this inferior gender can aspire to.

I can see the bright future now. The Catholic Church is Leaping fearlessly from the 14th into the 15th century.

Now merely 700 years from present humanity's evolution from predation of the vulnerable, the Catholic Church is steadfastly maturing by 1 year of development for every 100 chronologic years of time.

All this and tax-exemption too!

Christ Inc. where your dollars ensure that those morally inferiors feel the suffering of your judgement upon them!

Blessed be the superior morality of the white heterosexist patriarchs!

[celestial_rain]

[QUOTE=scott snedeker;72851]

Next may be allowing women to decide if their inferior brains are capable of deciding whether or not they could become pregnant, but as it is now, only men possess the intelligence sufficient to decide for them. After all being a vessel for a man's sperm is the highest honor that this inferior gender can aspire to.

[QUOTE]

well now, that's just a ridiculous thought, everyone knows we women (especially those of us that are lesbian :lol:) love being considered vessels for sperm. Why in the world would you want to try to give us the choice? thats ridiculous!*insert sarcasm here* haha

maybe one day there really will be true equality....:pray:

[celestial_rain]

well now...I guess at least we all get the idea that that was supposed to be a quote...oh well

[Victoria]

:( its things like this that have caused so many GLBT people to turn away from Christianity.

Wait... When did the Roman Catholic Church convert to Christianity?




(This coming from someone baptized as a baby and married as an adult in the RCC... so Catholics don't get offended please ;-)

[bnmoore]

It could be the Irish ancestry but in the house in which I was raised if you called Catholics Christians you would have been beaten for it.

What made it even crazier was that we lived in a mostly Italian Catholic neighborhood.

But then again who wasn't raised to be conflicted.

[BrianB]

It could be the Irish ancestry but in the house in which I was raised if you called Catholics Christians you would have been beaten for it.

But then again who wasn't raised to be conflicted.

One of the reasons I became Catholic is that I feel the peace of Christ at Mass. I guess the book Christian and Catholic wouldn't have been too welcome in the house which you were raised. That book convinced me that Protestants and Catholics weren't all that far apart. Many of the differences are using different terms for the same thing. To get back on topic; this thing in D.C. has me questioning whether or not to stay in the Catholic church.

[Victoria]

It seems to me though the the RCC isn't exactly saying "if you allow gay marriage, we're gonna stop being charitable, period"... it seems more like "we're just gonna end our contracts with you and continue our charities apart from you", which... given their very rigid moral code, that can't be changed, they're more likely trying to separate themselves from something they're simply not allowed to be involved in.

[tymejumper]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/11/AR2009111116943.html

:(
This is a devastating blow to my faith. I pray the Catholic Church will realize that threatening the people is wrong.

-Joan

I'm sorry that this makes you question your faith. I know that not all Catholics are like this. I am blessed to know several that are very supportive to myself and other gay people.

It seems to me an easy enoguh problem to fix in reguards to Washington. All they have to do is to make sure that all churches and religious organizations are no longer tax exempt. They need to pay their taxes or they need to shut up. If Washington would issue this threat back, the shit would stop.

[tymejumper]

Certainly not worse than torturing and burning people alive during the Inquisition. Threatening to abandon vulnerable people for political leverage to oppress and harm gay folk is quite a step in the right direction away from outright murder.

Next may be allowing women to decide if their inferior brains are capable of deciding whether or not they could become pregnant, but as it is now, only men possess the intelligence sufficient to decide for them. After all being a vessel for a man's sperm is the highest honor that this inferior gender can aspire to.

I can see the bright future now. The Catholic Church is Leaping fearlessly from the 14th into the 15th century.

Now merely 700 years from present humanity's evolution from predation of the vulnerable, the Catholic Church is steadfastly maturing by 1 year of development for every 100 chronologic years of time.

All this and tax-exemption too!

Christ Inc. where your dollars ensure that those morally inferiors feel the suffering of your judgement upon them!

Blessed be the superior morality of the white heterosexist patriarchs!

LMAO. This post is exactly why I love you so much! LOL.

[bnmoore]

One of the reasons I became Catholic is that I feel the peace of Christ at Mass. I guess the book Christian and Catholic wouldn't have been too welcome in the house which you were raised. That book convinced me that Protestants and Catholics weren't all that far apart. Many of the differences are using different terms for the same thing. To get back on topic; this thing in D.C. has me questioning whether or not to stay in the Catholic church.

I was branded heathen as a child (Thanks, Mom) and am pretty sure I was a huge disappointment by my teens. I went to midnight mass as a teen with a Catholic girl friend and found it beautiful.

Not all of the family immigrated to the U.S.A and the family origins are Northern Ireland. It's hard to tell who's crazier in that mess. (WTF?) I'm pretty sure it is different definitions of exactly the same thing. I feel that way about all faiths actually. I found a flavor than resonates with me.

I don't feel I could support anyone or anything that claims to be "The Authority" on "All Things God".

Hitting them in the pocketbook seemed like a good idea at first glance but there other non-profit organizations that might not survive without tax-exempt status. I'm fairly sure there would be a backlash.

[Rick336]

It seems to me though the the RCC isn't exactly saying "if you allow gay marriage, we're gonna stop being charitable, period"... it seems more like "we're just gonna end our contracts with you and continue our charities apart from you", which... given their very rigid moral code, that can't be changed, they're more likely trying to separate themselves from something they're simply not allowed to be involved in.

Yes. And it's too bad they are also not allowed to be involved in things like sanity and reality.


Rick

[Victoria]

Yes. And it's too bad they are also not allowed to be involved in things like sanity and reality.


There are approximately 6 billion subjective perspectives on what's real and what's sane on this planet. I'd rather try and understand what I have in common with the rest than fight over what's different.

[antiochian]

No offense to the good Catholics of this forum, or of the world, but I shall speak my mind. A church that protects child molesters at the expense of children, as prominent Catholic hierarchs have done, has absolutely, positively no business making moralistic statements about anything.

Secondly, if the Catholic Church in D.C. were really a Christ-filled organization, perhaps it would have realized that ceasing ministries to the poor, hungry, sick, and homeless because gays are given their rights is NOT what Jesus would do.

[Victoria]

Secondly, if the Catholic Church in D.C. were really a Christ-filled organization, perhaps it would have realized that ceasing ministries to the poor, hungry, sick, and homeless because gays are given their rights is NOT what Jesus would do.

If the RCC was actually going to cease providing charitable services, as if to hold them hostage until D.C. complies with it's wishes, I would agree with you. They're ~not~ ceasing them, they're just detaching what they do from doing it together with the government, which they should have been doing from the start (separated from the state). If it had been that way to start with, this wouldn't even have been an issue.


P.S. I'm not a good Catholic... most of them accuse me of heresy when I talk about stuff on Catholic forums ;-)

[Rick336]

I'm not a good Catholic... most of them accuse me of heresy when I talk about stuff on Catholic forums ;-)

You better be careful or they might accuse you of being a witch. :lol:


Rick

[antiochian]

If the RCC was actually going to cease providing charitable services, as if to hold them hostage until D.C. complies with it's wishes, I would agree with you. They're ~not~ ceasing them, they're just detaching what they do from doing it together with the government, which they should have been doing from the start (separated from the state). If it had been that way to start with, this wouldn't even have been an issue.


P.S. I'm not a good Catholic... most of them accuse me of heresy when I talk about stuff on Catholic forums ;-)

The Catholic forums don't like me, either. :) I've just learned to stay away from them, becuase they're full of crazies. :eek:

[Adaoraa]

so, r u catholic???

[Wanderer]

Go on over to www.towleroad.com and scroll down to the bottom of the page. On the middle column you'll find a listing about a study that found that homosexuality is not a factor in the priest-pedophile crisis. Follow that link, and you'll find out that said study was commissioned by...the United States Catholic Bishops.

I wonder if our community will hear any official apologies from any Bishops on this matter? (Don't worry...I'm not holding my breath.)

Wanderer

[offog]

From antiochian:
"No offense to the good Catholics of this forum, or of the world, but I shall speak my mind. A church that protects child molesters at the expense of children, as prominent Catholic hierarchs have done, has absolutely, positively no business making moralistic statements about anything."

I'd like to add to that. I've never liked this attitude that sexual morals are the only morals that matter. It's not just the Catholics. It bugs me that these Republican Evangelist Christians make a big fuss about sexual morals and pretty much ignore the crimes of those Wall Street bandits who crashed the economy and wrecked a lot of people's lives.

I do know that not all Catholics and Christians are intolerant towards GLBT people. My friend Pat is a good Catholic lady who is okay with gays and gay marriage. She and her boss just moved into a new office that is right next door to the city's gay club. Someone asked Pat if she wasn't nervous about that. Pat said nah; the gay guys she's met are really nice fellows.

[Victoria]

You better be careful or they might accuse you of being a witch. :lol:

Rick

Well... there's been a few times where I've steered away from showing how the Wiccan Rede fits in with what Jesus taught for that reason... ;)


so, r u catholic???

Me? Yes.

The Catholic forums don't like me, either. :) I've just learned to stay away from them, becuase they're full of crazies. :eek:

I kinda felt that way at first too... but when focusing on just arguing against blatant bigotry and defining my arguments within the context of Catholic teachings... it's actually pretty easy to get some people out of the anger/hate mode, which is very much against the teachings of the RCC (regardless of how individuals or the Church Hierarchy may behave at times), teachings that a Catholic, by definition, is to hold as being infallible.

When in Rome... :D

Other sorts of anti-LGBT "supposedly Christian" fanatics, however, I tend to avoid because they know no law higher than themselves.