Question (The Bible)

[snuka12000]

Do you believe that the Bible is the 100%, true, perfect, accurate, uncorrupted Word of God?

[Deances]

such type of confusion is not good if u have not believe on god then how u your self.

[bnmoore]

Do you believe that the Bible is the 100%, true, perfect, accurate, uncorrupted Word of God?

To what bible are you referring and in what language?

One person's bible may be anothers kindling.

[Pablo Rafael]

I believe that GOD is 100%, true and perfect. The Bible is the primary way that he reveals Him/Herself to us. It is not something that can be understood easily at first reading or fully understood ever. The Bible tells us what we need to know, but only GOD is perfect and true and worthy of worship.

[celestial_rain]

While I believe that the Bible is God's word and that the Lord is 100% perfect, I do not believe in the perfection of humans. Therefore, i believe that there are probably errors and changes made with every new translation of the Bible. However, the meanings and messages of the Bible are the word of God, and therefore our best means of seeing His Truth.

[Spinning_fiend]

I agree with celestial rain. There's got to be a degree of truth lost in translation once it gets into human hands.

[Amy Gower]

To what bible are you referring and in what language?

One person's bible may be anothers kindling.

Man, that is EXACTLY what I was thinking. While it seems like the general themes have remained unaltered (God made you, God loves you, God wants you to love and serve Him and your fellowman as well), when you try to really dissect passages and form a more detailed and specific ideology, it makes a GREAT deal of difference what translation and version you are reading, as well as when it was translated or when the version was reworked. Think of how easily words are confused even in ENGLISH, and a dirty word in England or Australia is either nonsense or something else totally benign.

I believe that the Bible was inspired by the Spirit, but written and translated by men who, while well-intentioned, were and are imperfect. I take what I read with a grain of salt, and try to remember the historical and cultural background of the times as well (especially when reading the Law of the Old Testament).

I think a greater question for YOU, though, is......does it matter to you? Is your faith in a divine, loving God shaken if Daniel never existed or never made it out of the lion's den? If Noah and his ark were simply legends to make a previous natural catastrophe seem more relevant to the Israelites? If Methuselah's age was really just a gag, used as jokingly then as it is now? Does God still exist for you, even if the Bible really IS imperfect?

[dsdrane]

Do you believe that the Bible is the 100%, true, perfect, accurate, uncorrupted Word of God?

No.

Not even close.

[antiochian]

I thought Jesus was supposed to be the Word of God. Are there 2 Words of God? Personally, I don't think anyone of any faith should put too much stock in any holy book. You don't find god through books. We've seen how dangerous people can become when they put all their faith, hope, trust into and base their lives on books.

[SolApollo]

No, I do not believe the Bible as the source of absolute truth. I believe in God and the teachings of Christ, but the Bible was written by fallible men with their own personal agendas. The current Bible has been translated, edited, and changed drastically since its origins and it would seem irrational to view it as absolutely correct. Indeed, the modern Bible was composed and compiled by the bishops at Nicea as ordered by the emperor Constantine that had converted to Christianity. I recommend reading credible articles on www.religioustolerance.org concerning the topic, and also works by historical & religious scholars to put it in proper understanding.

[Gennee]

My answer is an emphatic yes.

Gennee

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[koneill08]

I am new to this forum, and have struggled with my own issues. However, as a Christian I will tell you an experience I once had. I heard the Voice within tell me that "the "word" without the "Spirit" is nothing more than the law." You can have the word (bible) without the Spirit, but many have ended up misusing the word because they do not know the Spirit behind it. However, when you have the Spirit, you also have the word.

One person posted on this site:

"I thought Jesus was supposed to be the Word of God. Are there 2 Words of God? Personally, I don't think anyone of any faith should put too much stock in any holy book. You don't find god through books. We've seen how dangerous people can become when they put all their faith, hope, trust into and base their lives on books. "

This is true. Jesus is the word of God, not a book. Jesus himself told the pharisees in John 5:39-40 (NASB) "you search the scriptures, because in them you have eternal life; and it is these that bear witness of ME (my empahsis); and you are unwilling to come to ME, that you may have life."

Paul also said in 2 Corinthians 3:5-6 (New American Standard Bible) "Not that we are adequate in ourselves to consider anything as coming from ourselves, but our adequacy is from God, who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter, but of the Spirit, for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life."

You can learn much about God in scripture, but that is all you will have, knowledge. And as someone else on this thread said, someone who has knowledge in hand without the Spirit that goes with it is dangerous. And according to that same Paul in 1 Cor 8 he says that knowledge puffs up and causes arrogance, but love edifies. To truly have life, abundant and ever flowing, the Spirit is where it's at. That is where, what you learn about God becomes personal and experiential to you. That is where you begin to not just know of God's love and acceptance for you (or me) but rather that's where you begin to feel and experience in heart and soul for yourself God's love. This is where you begin to be filled up with that love and acceptance. This is where what we hear and have learned becomes reality in our lives.

Enjoy. Love the posts.

[Pablo Rafael]

You can learn much about God in scripture, but that is all you will have, knowledge. And as someone else on this thread said, someone who has knowledge in hand without the Spirit that goes with it is dangerous.

I am reading a book by Katherine Jefferts Schori, presiding bishop of the Episcopal church. She said something that has stuck with me. The word believe in Greek doesn't mean having confidence is the rightness of something. It literally means belove. It is keeping something close to one's heart. Believing isn't a matter of facts but of devotion. I think knowledge is important, but it is not the essence of belief

[scott snedeker]

Do you believe that the Bible is the 100%, true, perfect, accurate, uncorrupted Word of God?


Nope, just poorly written, poorly translated, poorly scrutinized ancient nonsense.

[antiochian]

I have to say that there is some beautiful stuff in the Bible, even though I don't consider it any more divinely inspired than a poem by Chaucer or Ginsberg. I particularly enjoyed some of the Psalms, and deuterocanonicals such as Sirach and Wisdom. Ecclesiastes, though morbid in outlook, is beautiful in its own way, too. Then again, some of the Psalms are seemingly violent, asking God to wipe out enemies... My best definition of the Bible is that it's an ancient collection of literature... some of it's themes and morals are still relevant today, but many are not. The characters (& events) found in the Bible may have existed (transpired) or not. "God" is much bigger than words printed on paper. "God" does not inspire words, but hearts. My extra 3 cents for the day. I'm feeling philosophical, although exhausted from work. :)

[Spacemanatee]

Inspired by God, yes, but written by man. And even if the original writers were blessed with inerrancy, the fact that the original text had, for centuries, been copied by hand by one scribe and language to another, means that the chance some of the text would be a wee bit different than what was originally intended.

Sorta like a game of pass the message. Even now, some people are putting words in the Bible that weren't originally there. So while I do believe in God 100%, I tend to keep a secular mind frame open when reading the Bible.

[krobbyzw]

Hi Celestial rain, would you say a literal six day creation and a global makes sense to you?

Enjoy your day!

[krobbyzw]

No.

Not even close.

Would you say the evolutionist's story of creation is more likely than the creationists?

And would you say that God is not a god of love, or not omnipotent, due to the rubbish happening in this world on an hourly basis?

[celestial_rain]

Hi Celestial rain, would you say a literal six day creation and a global makes sense to you?

Enjoy your day!

There are many things I think are possible that do not make sense to me. I try to not over-think creation and things like that. I have faith in God and believe that anything is possible through Him. Whether He made the world in six days or six months does not matter to me, I will find that out in the end. For now, all that matters to me is that He created the world and that I am in it.

[krobbyzw]

My apologies, Celestial rain, the question should have read 'would you say a literal six day creation and a global FLOOD makes sense to you?'

I thought my typing was better than that!

You said 'For now, all that matters to me is that He created the world and that I am in it.' That is great.

In the future, if any of your non-Christian friends tell you your faith is invalid because of questions like 'What about the ape-men? where did Cain get his wife? isn't it impossible for Noah to have put all the animals on the ark? what about carbon dating?' please know that there are answers from the Bible.
You can trust the Word of God!

Enjoy your weekend

[LOGOS]

No, I do not believe the Bible as the source of absolute truth. I believe in God and the teachings of Christ, but the Bible was written by fallible men with their own personal agendas. The current Bible has been translated, edited, and changed drastically since its origins and it would seem irrational to view it as absolutely correct. Indeed, the modern Bible was composed and compiled by the bishops at Nicea as ordered by the emperor Constantine that had converted to Christianity. I recommend reading credible articles on www.religioustolerance.org concerning the topic, and also works by historical & religious scholars to put it in proper understanding.

Apollo, the question that I have is, what makes those articles credible? The fact that you or anyone embraces them or the Bible does not make it right. The reason why I believe that the Bible is COMPLETELY 100% accurate is because I believe that GOD is 100% COMPLETELY Sovereign. The Nicene Creed took place because God allowed it to because of His gracious nature. The same gracious nature that give you and I breath each day. So He (GOD) extends love, mercy, and grace everyday because HE is completely sovereign over the entire universe. Why? Because He created it. He spoke it into existence. If you believe at all in the God of the Bible then it within it's entirety, It requires belief of it's sole authority, being completely infallible. Without this belief you do not believe in the God of the Bible.

[Rick336]

Apollo, the question that I have is, what makes those articles credible? The fact that you or anyone embraces them or the Bible does not make it right. The reason why I believe that the Bible is COMPLETELY 100% accurate is because I believe that GOD is 100% COMPLETELY Sovereign. The Nicene Creed took place because God allowed it to because of His gracious nature. The same gracious nature that give you and I breath each day. So He (GOD) extends love, mercy, and grace everyday because HE is completely sovereign over the entire universe. Why? Because He created it. He spoke it into existence. If you believe at all in the God of the Bible then it within it's entirety, It requires belief of it's sole authority, being completely infallible. Without this belief you do not believe in the God of the Bible.

So this means that there's apparently no hell to worry about because the Nicene Creed doesn't mention anything about hell. If hell actually existed then certainly it would deserve at least one line in the Nicene Creed. But nope.

Also, the Nicene Creed doesn't mention Satan. So apparently Satan isn't very important either. At least not important enough to mention.

If Satan does indeed exist according to Bible believing Christians then I think a line needs to be added to the Nicene Creed that says, "By the way, watch out for Satan!!"


the Nicene Creed--->http://www.creeds.net/ancient/nicene.htm



Rick

[Pablo Rafael]

If you believe at all in the God of the Bible then it within it's entirety, It requires belief of it's sole authority, being completely infallible. Without this belief you do not believe in the God of the Bible.


I respect where you are coming from here. I believe that the Bible is inspired and that God has preserved it through history. But to say that it is 100% infallible places the Bible up as God. Only God is infallible.

I think the Bible would be infallible is we had perfect understanding, but as Saint Paul says, "Now we see as through a glass dimly".

A major problem lies in the fact that everyone interprets the Bible differently. If we all had a perfect understanding of the scriptures, it would be a different matter. But when we read the Bible, we all put our own interpretation on it. Growing up in the Lutheran Church- Missouri Synod I noticed that there were many different interpretations of Biblical events and teachings. If even in the super strict, believe-as-you-are-told environment of the LCMS there is a diversity of belief, then who has gotten it right?

I also think that the Bible has a lot of imagery and allegory. Scripture is the main way that God reveals himself to His people. But there are contradictions in the Bible if read literally. One cannot get around that fact.

I have no problem reciting the Nicene Creed every Sunday. I think is is a good summary of the main points of Christian faith. I do not like how you categorize people who do not believe in your idea of infallibility as non believers. I believe that the Bible is inerrant in its principles, but I do not think each word is inspired literal truth. Yet I am quite sure that I am a believer in the God of the Bible.