Religion: Translation or Transformation?

[bnmoore]

Anyone familiar with Ken Wilber? If you have time read this article and see if you see yourself in it:

http://wilber.shambhala.com/html/misc/spthtr.cfm/

[koneill08]

Wow, even though the article comes from a more eastern philosophical position, I as a Christian certainly saw myself in it. I saw in it a total abandon to the system of this world, and to realize that God is, I am that I am. And that is all there is and because He is, so are we. It's a lot to think about but it is motivating in the thought that there is a necessary evil, so to speak, in the religious system of law, in order for folks to come to the end of all that religious system can offer and to be totally abandoned and dead to it so that we can jump off the edge of the cliff to follow the flow and river of the Spirit. The Spirit alone.

[stav]

Anyone familiar with Ken Wilber? If you have time read this article and see if you see yourself in it:

http://wilber.shambhala.com/html/misc/spthtr.cfm/

I love reading stuff like that.

I couldn't but help notice that he was operating in the 'translation' mode as he described 'vertical transformation'.

I guess that's inevitable, and fully forgivable - the act of codifying cuts us off from the transformative (vertically) into spiritually transformative states - 'meta-self' or 'meta-codified'. They elude words, including mine :)

But, wasn't it a really really interesting piece :)

cheers
stav

[Daniel]

I couldn't but help notice that he was operating in the 'translation' mode as he described 'vertical transformation'.


Writing about something can have the curious effect of distancing one from the very thing one is describing- creating another layer as it were.

I can't remember where I heard it, but this reminds of a Tibetan saying which posits that once knowledge is written down, it is already lost.

A provocative thought, no? It implies that unitary consciousness is nonverbal in nature.

[bnmoore]

Writing about something can have the curious effect of distancing one from the very thing one is describing- creating another layer as it were.

I can't remember where I heard it, but this reminds of a Tibetan saying which posits that once knowledge is written down, it is already lost.

A provocative thought, no? It implies that unitary consciousness is nonverbal in nature.

Maybe that's why Sufis dance their prayers.

I ran across a little quote from a Life Coach in NYC.

"If you only knew who you really are, you'd be starstruck."