Was the 2004 Election Stolen? BY ROBERT F. KENNEDY JR June 1, 2006

[Emproph]

From rollingstone.com June 1, 2006 (http://www.yuricareport.com/Campaign2004/WasThe2004ElectionStolen.html)

I've been reading this article on yuricarereport.com (more goodies on that site too). They made all the footnotes links so it’s easier to investigate as you’re reading it and get a better credibility factor feel for it.

There’s a lot of information here, article-wise and 208 footnotes. It's worth a skim at least, maybe we can revive this thread come fall.

I know many of us assume or at least suspect this to be the case, but it's the first detailed analysis that seems to give a good overview of all the variables involved.

I’ve only followed a few links so far, but for all the numbers and breakdown involved it’s pretty interesting.

-I would be remiss if I didn't complicate things further:

Refuted by Salon.com (http://www.yuricareport.com/Campaign2004/2004ElectionWasNotStolen.html)

Yuricareport refutation of refutation (http://www.yuricareport.com/Campaign2004/AVastPoliticalMisfortune.html)

Brings back memories of ‘04... Good times...

P.S. We’re screwed.

More related info - Rolling Stone. (http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10463875/was_the_2004_election_stolen_sources_and_commentar y)

[Daniel]

I only have one comment after reading the Rolling Stone article:

Aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!! !!!!!!!!

[nowvoyager]

Daniel, I'd laugh at your post if I wasn't so busy groaning and rolling my eyes..
(with a respectful caveat, that I'm not from the US so have no real business commenting...) :rolleyes:

[Dash]

i am so depressed right now....:(

See...this is why I limit my exposure to real news and political blogs. There's not enough ice cream and nacho cheese Doritos to get me through such stories.

Sigh...

Goin' to the quik trip...

[Daniel]

Daniel, I'd laugh at your post if I wasn't so busy groaning and rolling my eyes..


I'd laugh too if I could, but I'm shaking my head at the moment. Will anyone notice these things, take it seriously, DO something? I rather doubt it. And that makes me profoundly sad. To live in a time when our best minds and thoughts are cast aside, Where logic becomes illogic and real concerns are laughed at: these are the times we seem to be living in now.

America is a strange country (I lived in Spain as a child so have some perspective I think), at once great and playing to the lowest common denominator. Everyone has a TV, refrigerator and a car, the right to pursue one's greed: everything, it seems, that one wants. We are victims of our 'success'- blinded by samsara. Unable to see our own suffering and the suffering of others.

[Dash]

PS--Kennedy's on Colbert Report right now.

[Emproph]

(with a respectful caveat, that I'm not from the US so have no real business commenting...) :rolleyes:Caveat duly noted. We’re pretty liberal around here. In fact I’ve recently discovered that I’m “Ultra-liberal.” Call me crazy but I have this idea that people should be allowed to.. vote, and be counted.. as opposed to not so. So please, feel “free” to fire away :tup: (while we still can.. :shifty:). PS--Kennedy's on Colbert Report right now.OMG, What a meaningless coincidence, not just almost not posting this, but deciding to record Colbert tonight for no reason.. That’s like double meaninglessness! Double entropy, double entrope'?

I think it’s a sign. We should definitely forget all about this and never speak of it again. I for one am shutting my eyes as we speak and putting my fingers in my ears, and have made a reservation for a plot of sand to stick my head in. I suggest you do the same.. lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala I can't hear you lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala

[BruceChris]

Using an electronic voting system that does not create a paper trail, indeed does not create a record of any kind that cannot be easily tampered with shows a barefaced contempt for the democratic process, and the American people. :eek: :mad: :sick:

Peace and Love, BruceChris

P.S. In some places in California they are now using E.V.M.'s that are Not made by Dieboldt, and Do create a paper trail. :tup: :weee: :agree: :tup:

[Daniel]

Using an electronic voting system that does not create a paper trail...

Kennedy's article asserts that it wasn't a matter of changing votes once they were cast, but rather, messing with the voter rolls (read: democratic) before the voters even got to the polls.

[BruceChris]

that in large parts of the rest of the world, Dubbyah has a single didget approval rating....... There was no mention of what his disapproval rating was. :mad: