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Liberal Crozier
06-28-2006, 07:43 PM
It began with Apostolic leadership in five centres of the known world. It was James in Jerusalem, Peter in Antioch, Linus in Rome given credit to Peter who "tarried", Andrew in Constantinople, and Mark in Alexandria.

The first millennium saw the birth, death and resurrection of Christ, the Pentecostal Promise, and establishment of churches that led to disputes settled by Spirit-filled deliberations among the Elders of the Church. They codified the Scriptures and accepted Hebrew scriptures that held canonical appeal among them. They defined who Christ was in both credal statements and oecumenical pronouncements. By mid-millennium they lost the Oriental Eastern Churches on the question of dual nature, and eventually, the Eastern and Western Churches split - the historical date of 1054 given when canonical instruments were delivered. There are questions of a filioque clause in the Nicene Creed, and theological views on the Holy Spirit affecting the canon of the Mass.....but Greek and Latin parts of the Old Empire had different definitions and cultures that were unreconcilable. The honourific primacy was maintained even after schism. The validity of sacraments were tenuously agreed to exist with each other. The Monarchial West adopted Aristotle and Natural Laws and philosophical constructions that would eventually produce the Reformation of the Second Millennium.

Having just concluded the Second Millennium, we are aware of the two parts of Christendom living under two different secular regimes. The Western Church becomes a Papal theocracy, while by the seventh century, the Eastern Church becomes a subjugated vassal of Islamic states who convert Santa Sophia Cathedral into a mosque. This lack of theocratic secular control and absent academically-constructed theology, the Mysterion were lived and not explained for the infinite has no acceptable vocabulary. The Holy Spirit guides and teaches and imbues one with fire...and even they are yet to understand the translation that includes our lives.

The Third Millennium is more complex. It includes Soulforce and its combination of non-violence practiced by Christian and Hindu in telling truth to powerful Reformation Western Christians who are copying the errors of the Mother Church they sought to purify from the Babylonian Captivity. While some meet these challenges with Christian bodies who emanate from either the English or Continental Reformations, the effect is the same. Beyond Soulforce, it includes the UFMCC especially - and many similar autocephalous groups of continuing Catholics, Anglicans and Orthodox Christians who - in groups of twelve or less - or even hundreds and more -seek to include rather than exclude the LGBT Christian at the gate.

Indian subjugation had been fractured until a South African secular lawyer with a British education migrated to India to begin a pilgrimage to become the Father of the Indian nation. He tried to keep Hindu and Muslim and Bengal together and failed in the trying. However, he brought the British Empire and the Anglican Communion who nurtured the Raj to their knees in granting secular independence and spiritual reconciliation to the Indian Church.

"Jackboot" African American clergy had always been at odds with the smaller seminary-trained mainline US denominations. The Delaney sisters - who lived significantly into their mid-100's, were professionals whose father was the first Episcopal bishop in the US from subsaharan African ancestry.
Martin Luther King, Jr., unlike his jackboot father, was Moorehouse College and earned a PhD in theology from the prestigious Boston University. The Southern Leadership Council was headed by men and women who represented the educated and middle classes established during the early Reconstruction period prior to Plessy v Ferguson and Jim Crow earlier.

The reality of an accredited Reverend Doctor Martin Luther King, Jr. established credence and a lack of condescension usually afforded the Amos and Andy characters by Jim Crow. It did not stop the self-hating homophobes like the Hoover-Tolsons to perform their calumny upon his person. He won the day.

I feel that this paragraph may just begin to ramble, and to conclude, will thread the themes. Third millennium challenges and opportunities ? What are they? Happiness and joy while resolutely fighting for our rights lest our enemies define us in the civil and political arena and excommunicate us from our pews.....at least if they do so, must it be " pro se " or do we :

find a man who like Ghandi, and like King, will lead us into the Promised Land, or like the latter, establish the liaisons between the many mansions promised in John 14, in order to seek our grafting without prejudice into the Body of Christ. Amen.

Daniel
06-28-2006, 08:46 PM
I feel that this paragraph may just begin to ramble, and to conclude, will thread the themes. Third millennium challenges and opportunities ? What are they? Happiness and joy while resolutely fighting for our rights lest our enemies define us in the civil and political arena and excommunicate us from our pews.....at least if they do so, must it be " pro se " or do we :

find a man who like Ghandi, and like King, will lead us into the Promised Land, or like the latter, establish the liaisons between the many mansions promised in John 14, in order to seek our grafting without prejudice into the Body of Christ. Amen.


In other words: a Gay Gandhi? Whether this needs to be a person, or a movement such as SoulForce which expouses his prinicples, it it's hard to say. Of course, it is always easier to follow than to lead. How to lead? That is an interesting question I think about alot.

Maybe this isn't a matter of 'Either Or' but 'Both And'. That is, fight for our rights from two directions at once. That's what the Romans did in their military maneuvers. But then, I imagine there are those who would object, on principle, to the use of the word 'fight' and the military allusion. However it's characterized, the process is happening as we speak.

Liberal Crozier
06-29-2006, 04:05 AM
Daniel:

Unlike the illusion to the tome alluded to in this entitled response, my reply would be that our theo-conservative opponents have already defined it in the press and in their agenda as the "Culture War". In this sense, we must now gird our loins and with the words of that great Reformer, Martin Luther, for whom the Pope provided our Sovereign Queen with the Defence of the Faith she still uses as Supreme Governor of the Church -( and oecumenically sung even in Roman Churches today.......Onward Christian Soldiers, Onward as to War, With the Cross of Jesus......Going on Before....)

In my mind, it takes a person, or in our community, two persons - a man and a woman....a team who speak together with one voice.....both whom respect our unity within diversity. Remember this:

Ghandi stood as the voice of the Indian Congress - a body of divergent groups who betrayed him finally when he wanted an India and received India and Pakistan (later again partitioned into Bangladesh). Nevertheless, the world knew Ghandi.

King was one of many who formed and led the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, but he was the voice, along with Coretta, who was seen as the voice of the people.

Organisations buttress the effort, but it is always significant persons who seemingly create change.

Ask me about Jesus?:pray:

Daniel
06-29-2006, 10:31 AM
In my mind, it takes a person, or in our community, two persons - a man and a woman....a team who speak together with one voice.....both whom respect our unity within diversity.

Or course, the dynamic you refer to was mainifest in The Equality Ride by its dual leaders Jacob and Haven and speaks to the observation that we never really do anything by ourselves, that is, anything dealing with matters of transformation. The artist, scholar, writer and monk may seem to be a solitary creature dealing with the divine in their activities, but in the end, still have to face the world. I would posit that this looking within - inner activity- is as necessary as outer activism.

Organisations buttress the effort, but it is always significant persons who seemingly create change.

Ask me about Jesus?:pray:

Ok.....what about Jesus?

Liberal Crozier
06-29-2006, 12:27 PM
Daniel -

I am using more powerful protocols to ameliorate my nausea symptoms and feel somewhat "well" today. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRAYERS, AS PROMISED, THEY ARE PRODUCING THIS RESULT.:pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray:

Yes, Daniel - there are many voices - beautiful voices in our spiritual gay-affirming movement. My deepest respect goes to a man connected with the UFMCC body who made Canada possible, along with Brent Hawkes and his body armour in 2001 under liturgical garb. Death threats from " Christ's defenders and guardians of public morality." That man, of course, is the Rev. Dr. Melvin White.

As Dr. King and Ghandi had many lieutenants and advisors in the political arena and other spiritual homes, the thirty-second corporate media - often with subtle or overt anti-gay agendas of their own - including inviting one gay person to face a hostile triumvirate including the host. This reality requires a person with the training and skills to offset those challenges. Can you think of anyone on the LGBT landscape that comes close to Mel White? (rhetorical to be sure, but here goes: NO, NO, AND NO.

Can anyone coalesce groups outside UFMCC and Soulforce to maintain their own gay-affirming protocols while supporting the inclusionary message and the necessary confrontational strategies employed to define ourselves rather than have our opponents erroneously and malevolently define whom we are? No man comes to mind but the Rev. Dr. Mel White.

We have not had the pleasure to know or converse or otherwise communicate privately, but I look forward to the day when certain realities converge to expand my outedness and that of my family. But know this, Dr. White, and Mr. Lutes, I access your video tapes on a nearly daily basis for contemplation and meditation. We love you very much.....and that goes for you Daniel and yours, and everyone who shares or reads my words.

NathanATX
06-29-2006, 12:42 PM
I think Rev. Dr. Mel's work is igniting the flame of leadership in many people, especially young adults. Just these boards alone are full of people who are growing and becoming more and more clear how to respond to injustice and how to live brilliantly.

Daniel, Crozier & spouse, Mel, Jeff... Rev. Cindy Love, the UFMCC moderator; Bishop Gene Robinson; Bishop John Shelby Spong; and I would also add my pastors and mentors to this list...

All of you are "provoking" me to pursue my calling. :) I think I'm more tuned in to that "still small voice" than a lot of young people, but even so, the impact of your words, leadership, and committment have challenged me greatly.

I think I'd like to see a more intentional impartation to young leaders, actual and aspirational. What could we do to foster more mentoring, training & "transfering the mantle" to young people?

Liberal Crozier
06-29-2006, 01:08 PM
Nathan,

There is a phenomenon that has changed since we Baby Boomers (1946) and older were young and the Generation X, or Y today.

My widowed maternal grandmother and a maternal sister -unmarried, epileptic and grand mal-afflicted, lived with my mother and father and my two siblings. My grandmother was born in 1872, widowed from my physician grandfather born in 1865,( my mother was the last of eleven children ) and my aunt was born in 1903....and my mother in 1914 and father in 1916. Brothers were 1949 and 1950. We had the benefit of many voices, and two centuries. Mentoring was a subtle and overt process of normalisation on a daily basis.

Morning and evening prayer, grace before and after meals, and daily attendance at Mass, serving as an acolyte from age seven in a parish church known for its effusive use of incense and bells, and Solemn High Masses on Sundays and Confessions on Saturday afternoons and Solemn Evening Prayer on Sunday evenings....along with the Catholic Faith as we received it. A rather unique parish in the diocese, to be sure.

"Suffer not the little children" always feels like a Divine mandate. So does the mentoring I received from those already translated into the promises for those who labour in His vineyard. So today, too, I ask youth to pray for guidance about their vocation, their " vocare " their calling.

We are all called to the vocation of layperson in the Church. You and me are first and foremost laypersons. If Christ has called you beyond to preside over Word and Sacrament as your tradition understands it, then you must go and follow him. You must first train yourself to have the fundamental skills and language to serve. Then you must humbly serve those who have found you "AXIOS" to serve at the altar and pulpit.

Pray for courage. This is the secular, global 21st century where greed is the governing theology for world interaction. Workers are commodities to be hired and fired at will. Billions of your treasure is translated into the coffers of the world's wealthiest corporations and the men who own them. Stress at home from the necessity of two incomes. Children who murder due to the latchkey existence and passive aggressive illnesses as a result of missing and overchallenged parents. Divorce rates and discordant couplings at the rate of 50-60% while denying the legal and psychological benefits of marriage to our families with strong and enduring relationships.

There is much work in the vineyard, Nathan, and fewer are accepting the call. I also suspect that as in Ages past, many are called, but few choose to accept the call. I pray for you earnestly, without ceasing and daily.