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BIBLE DISCUSSION: Galatians Chap. 2 - Oct 21-28
This thread is for all study, thoughts and reflections on the second chapter of Galatians.
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Legalism vs. Faith
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The "church of the law" are legalists who want to impose man-made rules on others. They want to judge people by outward apperance. They have made "Christianity" a list of rules. People are good "Christians" when they follow the letter of the law. Hellfire awaits those who disagree. I think most people see Christianity as adhereance to the rules. Paul combts this very problem in his day. The "church of love" are those who believe that we are a people of faith and are motivated by that faith to live out lives of love. The message of Christ is one of love. All the customs, regulations and practices are useful only if they come from faith and are motivated by love. I see among the LGBT community in general a skepticism (if not downright hostility many times) to Christianity because the "church of law" seems to be the side of Christianity that dominates in American culture. We need Saint Paul to come today and take fundamentalist Christianity to task for making the church a church of rules that ignores the message of faith and refuses to show forth the love of God. |
Justification by faith
Justification, God's act of declaring a sinner righteous by faith alone, is the center of the Christian faith. Martin Luther wrote in the Smalcald Articles:
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This is so different from other religions. In Buddhism Enlightenment is no free gift but the result of personal discipline and the hard work of meditation and the eight-fold path. I think the misunderstanding of Justification (and its implications) stands at the heart of the Religious Right's holy war against LGBT people. By protecting "family values" they are uplifting works, law and merit as the standards of their goodness and godliness. They are establishing a culture of law and misunderstanding their own wickedness (eek I sound like Calvin). Justification by faith says that there is absolutely nothing you can lift up to make you righteous before God. NOTHING. This is so radical when you think about it. |
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That's me!
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Jesus showed love in all its forms to a world that often didn't accept that love. He was forgiving and compassionate to those who failed or didn't understand. He welcomed the outcasts. In fact the ONLY group of people Jesus really attacks are those church people who have enslaved others by a legalism of their own making, the pharisees. Legalism seeks to enslave. Those who are bound by a religion of rules are not free to love. God's forgiveness and acceptance of everyone allows us to love freely without fear or punishment. Christ's love can flow out through US. How awesome is that! Pablo |
The difficult discussion about sin
I wanted to bring up the difficult subject of sin. I extracted a section from Calvin's Institutes, Book 3, Chapter 12. It is his chapter right after Justification by faith:
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We have talked on this thread about the beauty of God's unconditional pardon in Justification, but the other side of that is the discussion of sin. How do you view sin? Can you even begin to be Orthodox without saying you have been delivered by Christ from slavery to sin? What is the core of sinfulness? |
Heavy stuff
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I have faced my "depravity," and it ain't a pretty sight. After years of trying, I know that I am powerless to atone for my lack of faith -- worse, my lack of love. Even though I have experienced the joy of spirtual healing, I still am aware of sinfulness in my heart of hearts. The hardest thing to do is to own my own s**t and to quit making excuses for it. An equally difficult spiritual task is to celebrate the goodness in myself as a gift from God and not a human accomplishment. I want so much to be the center of my own universe. Having been brought up Catholic, I have never felt comfortable with the "justification" idiom, although I recognize that this is what I'm talking about. The only way I know how to solve this puzzle is by falling back on this verse in Chapter 2: "It is no longer I who live but Christ who lives in me." It is the only way I can reconcile the war between sin and salvation that I experience at the core of my personhood. If I am missing the point that Calvin was making, somebody please enlighten me. |
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Calvin often comes over as harsh and has been accused of "worm theology". It can be read that way if you're not reading it carefully. The Westminster Confession says, "The chief end of man is to glorify God and to fully enjoy God forever". Justification in Galatians is the path to this full enjoyment of God. Calvin is saying that to enjoy this gift of God you have to give up any loftiness, pride, dependence, and worth based in your own righteousness: Quote:
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Heidelberg Catechism Q. 1
What is your only comfort in life and in death?
That I am not my own,^1 but belong— body and soul, in life and in death—^2 to my faithful Savior Jesus Christ.^3 He has fully paid for all my sins with his precious blood,^4 and has set me free from the tyranny of the devil.^5 He also watches over me in such a way^6 that not a hair can fall from my head without the will of my Father in heaven:^7 in fact, all things must work together for my salvation.^8 Because I belong to him, Christ, by his Holy Spirit, assures me of eternal life^9 and makes me wholeheartedly willing and ready from now on to live for him.^10 ^1 1 Cor. 6:19-20 ^2 Rom. 14:7-9 ^3 1 Cor. 3:23; Titus 2:14 ^4 1 Pet. 1:18-19; 1 John 1:7-9; 2:2 ^5 John 8:34-36; Heb. 2:14-15; 1 John 3:1-11 ^6 John 6:39-40; 10:27-30; 2 Thess. 3:3; 1 Pet. 1:5 ^7 Matt. 10:29-31; Luke 21:16-18 ^8 Rom. 8:28 ^9 Rom. 8:15-16; 2 Cor. 1:21-22; 5:5; Eph. 1:13-14 ^10 Rom. 8:1-17 http://www.crcna.org/pages/heidelberg_intro.cfm |
Totally Agree
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It seems this thread has become infested with Calvinists!
I'm going right now to get the bug spray. :D |
Yes indeed
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Of course
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Pablo |
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[Shut up, u-dog, he was too talking about me.] |
Calvin on Justification
I was revisiting a lecture on Justification in Calvin's Institutes from my former institution (prior to moving over to the dark side). The lecture and the handout are available online for free.
The lecture is given by David B. Calhoun, Professor of Church History BA, Columbia Bible College; BD and ThM, Covenant Theological Seminary; ThM and PhD, Princeton Theological Seminary Audio (scroll down to Lecture 15) http://www.covenantseminary.edu/worl...H523/CH523.asp Transcript http://www.covenantseminary.edu/worl...H523_T_15.html Handout http://www.covenantseminary.edu/worl...H523_SG_15.pdf As our Catholic brothers and sisters have pointed out, this doctrine was a huge bone of contention in the 16th. century. Here is an extract from the lecture: Quote:
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Being a recent convert to the Catholic church I have found the Catholic teachings to be an interesting and chaotic phenomenon. There are official teachings that the church is unwilling to discard. (Can't admit to ever making an error can we?) However, what gets preached from the pulpit can be a different thing entirely. The official statements issued at the Council of Trent against the doctrine of justification by grace through faith alone have never officially been refuted, but we Catholics ignore a lot of the official teachings. I have heard many sermons on justification by grace through faith alone in the Catholic church. This really resonates with my Lutheran upbringing. However where the Lutherans really try to distance justification from good works, the Catholics always tie the two together. Lutherans: We are justified by grace through faith - works has nothing to do with it. Catholic: We are justified by grace through faith - therefore works must follow. That's how I have seen it work itself out in my church. Tu Amigo, Pablo |
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Your point is interesting because Calvin anticipated that the Roman Catholic church would say exactly what you said, "We are justified by grace through faith - works has nothing to do with it." That is why in Calvin's Institutes he deals with the topic of sanctification before he tackles justification. He is anticipating this objection to justification. Wasn't the 16th. century grand! |
It is all about crumbs
Here is another extract from the lecture on Calvin's view of justification that really gets to the differences in the 16th. century
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