In a way, Emproph (spell?) makes the same point I made weeks ago in another thread: that we are engaging the ex-gays in a push-pull scrimmage, and what we need is to break that utterly. . .and it needs to happen via something or someONE who already has the respect and attention of Bennett, Foster, et al. The moment one of US approaches them, however reasoned our dialogue, it plays into their mental framework of the 'us' 'them' dichotomy, and we revolve around one another like two gravitational forces, with the result that nothing changes.
Ever watch tai chi masters go up against each other for Push Hands? What we're doing looks like that. And it hasn't got an ending. Though I'm willing to play a part in hopes of 'planting a seed' and all that.