[Giancarlo]

Originally Posted by Vortex

The Supreme court building I was referring to is The Supreme Court of the United States of America. You can read Wikipedia's article on the Supreme Court where they mention the depiction of Moses and the Commandments. Also Muhammad for that matter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Su...Court_building

Okay, well that's something that in my mind should be removed like prayer from public schools. Either way, this country is moving away from the religious fundamentalism it was stuck in the 1950s. This process has been taking place since the 1960s and 1970s.

I can prove that this country is secular based on Chapter 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli signed and ratiified by the US Congress in 1797. This treaty specifically stated that christianity is not in any way the basis for the US government. Many of the founding fathers, as we describe them, who endorsed this document, were in fact deists.

A highly secular society that still opresses the GLBT community mostly on the basis of what? Religion. I don't see where an orginization such as Soulforce would be necessary in such a society.

And you think I'm arguing for the oppression of the LGBT community? I'm gay myself. But I think it is wrong to state that we live in a religious society. We live in a society where people are free to practice whatever religion they want. However, the problem rises with the fact that some people think it is their right to push legislation (like the "defense of marriage act") that is beneficial for their religion and themselves.

Look you're preaching to the choir on secularism with me(I'm the most secular person I know ). As Agnostic I often wonder whether society would be much better off without religion, but that is not for me to decide. Religion is very important to many people I know and my friends here at Soulforce, so I stand with them to end Religious oppression but NOT to remove Religion from society.

I'm an atheist so I don't think we can really argue merits here. However, I'm also pragmatic and understand that a moderate form of religion that is non-threatening and non-infringing is perfectly acceptable.