So, that is what I meant so far. I accept the way that you express yourselves and wish only that you accept mine. ...Well, I that you do.
(your expression is accepted---wow was that egomaniacally easy, thanks
Originally Posted by all
You say that "all division is divisive", and A agrees to some point with you. Yet human existence is about choices that divide as well as unite. And as A proves, sometimes, dear Zerbie, some persons, like Awediot, accept what you say....." to some extent"
I have a problem with "seperate but equal" as well, in that I believe it is not only natural, but preferable. Not the common reason.
As for "gay affirming", it is a broad a sentiment. I may be quietly tolerated and secretly prayed for in one accepting church. And have the bible blasphemously, carefully shreaded beyond its ability to affirm anything in another, just as the straight world. The extent I will allow cherry-picking of my beliefs is a quagmire well muddled through by now. The same "rules" apply as long as we all sit second tier to God. If class and particulars do not vanish at the door of the Church, leveling all to mere, glorious sinners there to grow, I'll not darken it.
Some fifteen years ago, the local gay bar hired a new doorman. He was nice enough, but a tad lecherous. Two or so weeks later, my first trip to MCC revealed him to be the minister. It left a bad first impression taste in my mouth. The subsequent return trips, fully desiring to give it another chance, left me hit on by aquaintences I usually ignored and over gay-hymned out... This is just my experience and I am grateful for and have witnessed the good work MCC does, 10 for me is a bit generous. I seek a Church past being gay.
It appears your list is in the order of political involvement and power. It is frightening to think that we make a common target and as thier vehemence grows, so does thier influence. If true, I would attribute it to easy scapegoating, not the vileness of our sin. The "lifestyle" saddled upon us is a great distraction from the day to day infidelities and deceptions and lust of those exaggerating it. It stinks of the ..."at least I'm not__________", Jerry Springer form of pride and justification. I tend to concern myself more with the crusade against Christianity in general, and view its crusade against us as a terrible justification to beat it down.
I wonder how often we play the gay card when the World at general is just being its nasty self.