Originally Posted by Donny
Gay Pride parades are a good place to start. As a conservative Christian, what happens "in the streets" at those "celebrations," lends support to the anything goes nature of the GLBT culture that many of us parents (and not just Christian parents) teach our children is harmful to their future. And even in the most hedonistic of straight bars, it is hardly likely that a man or a woman will have sex with dozens and dozens of differnt people in one night.
Originally Posted by keltic63
- Mardi Gras.
- Swinging Lifestyle, which by the way has more participants by actual numbers than the entire lgbt community.
- Clothing Optional resorts.
Wet T-shirt contests
Beach Bikii contests
Spring Break (Including the one I went to 35 years ago)
Now let's also address your insinuation that in gay bars "a man or a woman will have sex with dozens and dozens of different people in one night."
Okay, Donny - head's up time.
Flashback to 1975 when I got divorced from my first wife. I was 21 at the time. This was in Columbus OH - not exactly hedonism central - and friends invited me to go clubbing with them to get me laid.
The place, which no longer exists, was called Jericho and it was the earliest of the disco hot spots in Columbus (strike number one). I went three times before striking this kind of place of my list. Night one - a man I worked with left four times ith different woman and had sex in cars with each of them. Night two - there was an impromptu blow-job contest on the dance floor. Night three - going because I was asked "What? Are you a fa--ot or something?" - the wet t-shirt contest got carried away, until the contestants were not just naked, but striking the most exposing poses to win the "big prize."
These weren't GLBT folk- these were self-declared straight Christians who took me to this hell-hole - not just Christians, but three belonged to the Church of God.
Hedonism is a human trait - not universal, but certainly not due to GLBT infiltration. Hell, in Columbus OH at that time, you wouldn't catch a gay person being out and proud in public - it was too damn dangerous. And I was one of the perople who made it dangerous.
I surmise from what you have said that you would find all of this disgusting - I surmise, but maybe I'm wrong. But, I'll tell you what, if you blame this slippery slope on the GLBT community you are either grossly - and I mean grossly - misinformed, or you are one of the biggest liars there has ever been.
Also, with regard to gay bars, I have been to many having been invited by gay friends. I have NEVER seen anyone having sex in a gay bar - NEVER. I've seen strippers; I've seen drag queens; I've been hit on and been treated with great respect after telling them was straight. I ain't never been raped in a gay bar; I've never been "recruited"; I've never been baced into a corner. I'm not saying it's never happened, but I've seen these things way more often in straight bars.
The image you have in your head about gay bars is part of your sickness, Donny, not the GLBT community's.
Originally Posted by Donny
If Christians heard the GLBT community talk about abstinence as an important issue TO Gay Marriage, this would dispell the recruitment and pederasty aspect of what many of us see as happening "in" the Gay community TO our children. And on another note, this "questioning youth" aspect of the GLBT community that you neglected, are there ANY instances where a GLBT (PFLAG or GLSEN authority) shows a "questioning youth" that they are NOT indeed G,L,B or, T? Any such examples would go a long way to dispelling uneasiness. I don't visit Gay websites like PFLAG and GLSEN, but wouldn't mind if morality was anything similar to what I see in the Christian worldview.
Originally Posted by keltic63
Perhaps you should go to those sites and find out about what they promote.
While you're at it, subscribe to the Barna Group research pages. George Barna is an evangelical Christian whose group does all kinds of surveys.
Some of the noteworthy survey results:
Evangelical, pentecostal and liberal Christians share very similar divorce rates, fueled by very similar rates of infidelity.
Evangelical, pentecostal and liberal teenagers share very similar rates of premarital sex, unprotected sex, sexually transmitted diseases and teen pregnancies.
From the AIDS Council of NE NY comes the news that the highesty risk group for getting HIV/AIDS is young teen girls who have unprotected sex. Why do they have unprotected sex? Because they have been taught abstinence only and they'v rejected it, but have no solid sex-ed to know how to protect themselves. when they do. They are also just as likely to be from conservative religious families as liberal ones.
Get your head out of the sand, Donny. Including abstinence in conjunction with "recruitment of youth", "pedastery" and GLBT is about a disengenuous and intentionally deception as one could get. Your's is a very sick mind.
The problem is, Donny, that you perceive society to be going to hell in a handbasket amd you need someone else to blame. You don't want to look at the complicity of your own ilk and acknowledge that your church-goers are as f'd up and responsible as anyone else. GLBT folk are your scapegoats. You want to pack your sins on their backs, along with the sins of the rest of society, pat them on their ass and send them off into the desert in the hope that society will all of a sudden clean itself up. That's self-denial and ludicrous - and the longer you play that game the more people will die and the worse society will get.
If you want to be part of the solution, quit lying to yourself about the source of the problem.