Originally Posted by tdogg
I am pissed that my civil right to marry was put up for a popular vote. I am pissed that it can be stripped away from me by a 52% simple majority. I am pissed that my rights were even argued in court.
It’s also important to remember that that majority vote was acquired fraudulently, they lied their asses off. And don’t even get me started on their hypocrisies when it comes to the Bible.
What’s pissing me off now is that this majority vote is being spoken of as though it’s legitimate. After the election, I heard the L word used on several occasions, but now it doesn’t seem so important.
I realize that calling them liars doesn’t have any practical impact, and that we’d just be called sore losers, sour grapes, petty, etc., but I believe that this is one of those occasions where our “petty” accusation of dishonesty should be seared into the minds of the public.
Any way you slice it, they’re going to lie about us and accuse us of what they
are doing, so we have nothing to lose.
This is an opportunity for us, and it’s being wasted. Even if the CSC doesn’t rule in our favor, there are active voters out there who need to know they made a mistake in trusting the “Christians” who ran the Yes on 8 campaign.
There is absolutely NO reason why our talking heads should EVER be on the defense, and every reason they should be on the offense.
It’s inexcusable that the anti-gay religious right is not being backed into a corner and always on the defense.
All the social concerns have been addressed and refuted, as well as all the Biblical arguments - AD NAUSEUM.
Until the LGBT community, and our allies, continue to take seriously the notion that this has anything at all to do with religion, we will be on the losing end.
As soon as the “religious freedom” canard is brought up, the Bible should be discussed IMMEDIATELY.
According to the Bible, the family of Adam and Eve was an incestuous one. God’s original design for marriage and family.
God also approved of polygamy.
Leviticus 20:13 is a DEATH THREAT!
And remarriage is adultery (unless your spouse cheated on you or is not a Christian)
- as per Jesus God Himself.
And there’s tons more where that came from. Or did God change his mind on all those things?
Sure, they’ll figure a PR way to slime and slither their way around those things, but that’s the entire point. The more they try to vindicate themselves, the clearer their hypocrisy -- and thus dishonesty -- will be exposed.
In CSC Prop 8 related news, here’s a clip
from the Rachel Maddow show, Thursday March 5th.
The transcript is here
Here’s the beginning of that segment:
Today‘s hearing was about three really specific particular points. First, is Prop Eight invalid? Should it never have been on the ballot in the first place because it‘s a revision of the state Constitution instead of an amendment to the Constitution?
Revision versus amendment—what does that mean? Stay with me, that will be explained uno momento.
Second point: Does Prop Eight violate the separation of powers doctrine? Is it blocking the courts, a co-equal branch of government, from enforcing the equal protection clause of the state Constitution? And third, if Prop Eight is constitutional, if the ban stands, what is the effect on those 18,000 same-sex couples who married in California before the ban came down like a hammer?
The arguments were today. The court now has 90 days to decide? Do you want to know what‘s likely to happen?
Well, we‘re joined now by San Francisco City attorney, Dennis Herrera. He, along with others, filed the lawsuit that the Supreme Court heard today, arguing that Prop Eight is invalid because it‘s a revision rather than an amendment to the Constitution.
The interview continues from there.
Their motive to amend the constitution(s), is to invalidate the courts - one of our three branches of government, each designed to keep the others in check for the sake of justice. TO AVOID TYRANNY OF THE MAJORITY.
The court system is the most likely of the 3 branches to be objective on any given matter, because their decisions are bound by what the constitution says.
Prop 8 and all the other amendments are definitive examples of tyranny of the majority - which the anti-gay “Christians” staunchly defend. Theoretically, they could pass an amendment that makes it legal to murder gay people, and the Supreme Court would then have to uphold it because their decisions are based on what the constitution says.
Overwhelming them with logic and truth in the political game is so simple, and so easy. And for the life of me I can’t understand why their own arguments are not being used against them.