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Originally Posted by nmwolfboy
i try to follow the Christ's Way, though i fall short more often than not. You lose me a bit on the substitutionary atonement doctrine. "Christus Victor" is the direction in which i lean.
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I tend to think the "He died for my sins" pat answer is in a sense true, it is also a sort of sugar pill and blinding over-simplification.
-I've gone so far as to introduce the logical truth that whatever else Jesus was and did, He was God committing suicide... That tends to stir up some aghast, dead silence.
-please elaborate a little on what you mean by "Christus Victor"...
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In the West, perhaps. But it's hardly universal in the church catholic.
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I've never heard of a Catholic who didn't believe Christ was the Savior... They do put an excessive amount of baggage on themselves and way over-complicate the process with middle men, rest stops and spectacle, but they agree on the fundamentals of Jesus' reported nature, and I consider them a theologically Christ centered Church (though many would disagree with me).