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Originally Posted by tymejumper
To answer the original question....How do I define the violence that is forbidden? That is an easy one for me. Any and all violence against the most innocent(children) is forbidden violence.
Anything that causes their spirits to shrivel and die is forbidden violence in my book. Rectifiying it by extracting justice against the perpretrator is holy justice.
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You know how many "rules" and laws would cause children's spirits to "shrivel and die" if they could put it in those words? -a kid will grab whatever they want from a younger sibling with no regard to their feelings, or grasp of 'stealing'. They will automatically and naturally lie when busted about taking the cookie, and they will call you making them feel guilty about it "shriveling their soul".
I agree that "violence" against the innocent is particularly horrendous, but just what "violence" is, is difficult to say...especially when we will punish you if we do not agree.
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Not very Buddist like, but can't seem to get past that point on the path.
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If the want and willingness to protect the vulnerable through unwelcome, last straw force is anti-Buddhist, so be it. It is still the right thing to do.