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Old 10-15-2009, 04:58 PM
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Psychology is a relatively young science, but it has something that no other science has, the human element. Since all humans are different they will always have different outcomes to the same experience not matter how small.
Obvious problems with EX-GAY

1. research that is outdated and replicated.
one of the ways of removing bias from research studies are 1) random selection)random assignment. this helps keep a researcher's bias from interfering with the work. before any study can be accepted as something applicable it has to be replicated again and again( I don't know how many time) but it has to be the same for most of a population. Since ones experiences will be different from the next no matter what you cant say the thing about everyone. Thats not done with this so called repetitive therapy. they are trying to put everyone into a cookie cutter. There two things that don't exist in psychology, always and never.

Sexuality is somewhat fluid in some instances and some times not. since they(ex-gay movement people) forgo research and accurate documentation, I cannot take their word for anything.

Bias is the most dangerous thing to research it can contaminate the findings. that is why the various methods of science exist, so that there is as little bias as possible. Random selection and random assignment and the double blind are so important.

The assumption of homosexuality is a disease is bias.

a better question is does being gay affect negatively to a persons social mobility? and then you would devise a test or operational definition of what social mobility is and weather or not gay people fit that hypothesis, having gay people of all races, backgrounds, nationalities and genders, every possible difference you could think of, and at the same time have a control group as your baseline.

only after all of that could you say that it is positively(yes there is a relationship) or negatively correlated(no there is no relationship) correlated or a factor. correlation does not relate directly to causality. scientist, the good ones anyway, throw out or rewrite a hypothesis when research conflicts with the original hypothesis not the other way around you do rewrite the research to match your views. Science is as vulnerable to the human element as anything else, but there are established procedures do remove as much human bias as possible to let the research stand for it self.

Since homosexuality has been remove from all psychiatric and psychology manuals as a disease or disorder in this country saying that it is a disease when has been proven not to be, is no longer science, it is willful ignorance.

Gay Neuropsychologist Simon LeVay has done research on the hypothalamus on deceased gay and straight males doing a blind study by having the orientation of the corpse kept secret from him, and discovered a difference.
That the neural clusters of the hypothalamus were smaller(or more of a female typical arrangement) in gay men than straight men. because he was ignorant of the corpses orientation, his bias was not transferred to his research. I have not ever see this in EX-GAY anything.
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