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Old 11-27-2009, 04:19 PM
The Cobalt Sieg The Cobalt Sieg is offline
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Originally Posted by Pablo Rafael View Post
I take my case as an example. I live in a cute little house in the mountains. I chose to live here on purpose even though the economic opportunities are dismal. How can I afford to live here with a 28 hour-per-week job? It is because my grandparents left me an inheritance that paid off my mortgage. Others do not have that opportunity. Not because they make bad choices, but because their circumstances dictate it.

Even those who have made bad choices in their lives, should we just let them die?

Are you also opposed to public schools? Would you rather the private sector totally take over education?

Following are just some random thoughts and semi-rhetorical quesrtions:

Should we eliminate taxes that go to road construction and maintenance and instead just have all roads be toll roads?

Should police protection be pay-for-service?


I appreciate your reply.
First and foremost, concerning your own situation, I must say that if you were to lose your inheritance and be left on the streets, I would have to attribute this change of circumstance to your own choices. If the money were stolen or lost in a banking crisis, or if you lost everything in a fire, I would then see these as extenuating circumstances beyond your control.

In a situation like yours, you could enter a college (if you do not have enough for that, there are always loans and jobs somewhere to pay for them, even in these economic times) and earn a degree of some merit (I am not assuming you do not have one, simply basing this on the purpose of an example) and thereby earn a job of some menial pay that could sustain your chosen lifestyle (which, I add, sounds absolutely beautiful. -.- Mountaaaaaaiiiinnnnnsss..... *drool*).

My point being that hard-work pays off in most situations and cases. I understand this is, in certain circumstances, impossible, but I am I very hard believer in working for profit.


"Even those who have made bad choices in their lives, should we just let them die?"

As harsh as it sounds, I must say that I believe they should be left to their own devices. Reform is very very rare. If a person is not a hard worker, then they shall very rarely ever become one. A drug addict falls back to drugs most of the time, and a person without the will to support them self will rely on whatever is given to them and never get up on their own feet.

I hate to sound like a viscous person, but its nigh impossible to change a person. Take prisoners - they rarely change. A murderer usually leaves prison changed only by time - their drive to kill remains, even if their body can no longer support it. Rapists often return to rape again, and pedophiles return to their children.

In short, people tend to be themselves. Those that would leech off society and do nothing to habituate themselves and become hard-working citizens? These people are the reason socialism fails.

In a blanket system where a business tycoon earns as much as a substitute teacher, where is the will to succeed? Why work so hard, when it earns you nothing extra?

I know this doesn't apply so much to socialized medicine and health care, but its part of the fear behind socializing of any sort.

I suppose I should close the topic with this -

The socializing of health care is controversial for many reasons, but the main ones are these - whether all people should come together and help each other as one, or whether people should remain separate and fend for themselves.
I believe in all things in moderation. I do not believe that our founding fathers thought that a tax should be applied to the People of the Union to pay for doctor's bills. In fact, as much as they fought blanket taxation and government control, I must conclude that they would disagree with it.
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