[Victoria]

My point being that hard-work pays off in most situations and cases. I understand this is, in certain circumstances, impossible, but I am I very hard believer in working for profit.

Hard work ~doesn't~ pay in most situations, at least not to the people actually ~doing~ the hard work, that's why sweatshops are still viable. The US just has laws the protect it's citizens from being noticeably abused to certain extremes, even while the US still thrives on using them outside of it's borders.

Fisherman and Farmers work hard. Uneducated parents who bust their asses to make sure their kids have opportunities they didn't have, work hard. Single mothers who work 2 jobs to support their kids work hard.

CEO's don't work hard, they leech of of other peoples hard work and often cheat the system at every turn. They're the reason Capitalism doesn't work. There's no such thing as a self-made millionaire.

As harsh as it sounds, I must say that I believe they should be left to their own devices. Reform is very very rare. If a person is not a hard worker, then they shall very rarely ever become one. A drug addict falls back to drugs most of the time, and a person without the will to support them self will rely on whatever is given to them and never get up on their own feet.

Many, if not Most people in that position never had a chance to begin with. No one chooses to be born into a slum, or to abusive parents, etc. No one chooses to have a life where the most defining choices were made for them before birth, before they gained self-awareness, and before they had a chance to gain awareness of others and how they might fit into the world in a ~good~ way.

In short, people tend to be themselves. Those that would leech off society and do nothing to habituate themselves and become hard-working citizens?

People live what they learn, and are ~not~ the people they had the potential to be if they had been born into the right opportunities. It's not about changing the people that are already set as they are and not likely to change, it's about giving opportunities to those who are to be in the future. The people who are already broken are the ones society has already failed. Continuing to fail people to such extremes is a madness that's largely preventable.

These people are the reason socialism fails.

There has ~never~ been a working socialist system in the world for one to have proven itself a failure, so that's a non-argument in any case. That "these people" exist is such numbers is only proof that society, in general, fails.

In a blanket system where a business tycoon earns as much as a substitute teacher, where is the will to succeed? Why work so hard, when it earns you nothing extra?

I wouldn't argue against making everyone equivalent to that extent, but where is the will to succeed when you work 80 hours a week just to barely pay rent and bills while your family still lives near poverty? Where's the will to live in some circumstances like that?

The disparity is insane when there are people who truly work the hardest barely survive, while many who work the least have enough to support ~thousands~ of people, yet squander their resources on extravagances far beyond their needs and, worse, are completely unwilling to part with those extravagances even to the extent that they beg the government for handouts when their businesses start to fail rather than liquidate their personal "assets" to remedy their financial problems themselves... and are likely also the most vocally against "welfare" for the most needy.

The socializing of health care is controversial for many reasons, but the main ones are these - whether all people should come together and help each other as one, or whether people should remain separate and fend for themselves.

If people had always chosen the latter, we'd still be living in caves. There should be no controversy when it comes to basic needs. When peoples basic needs are met, they have a whole world open to them of how they can contribute to the betterment of themselves and society.

Regardless of what one believes, we're all in this together.