[scott snedeker]

Intreresting take . I was actually referring to the oil spill in the gulf and Capitalist abuse and exploitation the planet's resource that they falsely think they alone are entitled to.

BP's Oil Drilling and the oil fields of the planet would be a classic target "bourgeois property" that Marx demanded should be transferred from private ownership to wealth shared equally among people in a society.

As far as Heterosexist Oppression of Gay folk, I believe there are a lot of Marxist concepts that apply now that you mention it. The power of Capitalists was so great because of their overwhelming influence in justice, banks, legislature etc was that the only way to immediately end their oppression was through revolution and the strength of a united class to accomplish it.

Similarly heterosexism and heterocentric thinking is inbued in the foundation of Modern governments, Business, Systems of Justice, Military, Legislature around the world that similar tactics were necessary...... and in some ways may be today.

Previous examples of The Stonewall riots and Gay activists taking over the microphone during a psyciatric conference in the early 1970's were essential elements in ending the open and customary abuse and torture of gays in America.



What is often missing from the experience of soome one who is not gay is the direct effect of Heterosexist Oppression.

I have had police refuse to answer a 911 call or file a report of violence because I was just a f--in' faggot. I have been grabbed at a German social event and removed because I was dancing with my friend. I cannot adopt my neice and nephew if my brother and his wife are killed in an auto accident, because it is illegal for a gay person to do so in my state. I can be fired for being gay with no legal recourse.

This is not history. This is not hypothetical. This is not in Africa somewhere. This is right here, today, right now!

Imagine a non-gay person experiencing such in a given month. If one had, I would guess that some sense of complacency would be replaced with a sense of urgency. I would also suspect that awareness of the existence and impact of the Violence of Heterosexist Oppression would generate in one a more developed sensitivity toward Gay folks.

Awareness generally does this.

I agree, however that unrelenting resistant nonviolence is the best way to have a society evolve...most of the time. There are times when the better option is to tear down the oppressor.

The major weakness in the Marxist theory I see is the assumption of the existence of a benign State. My interpretation is that he theorized that a benign nonviolent state could be achieved through the path of violent revolution and then created by an organization composed of those same people.

Now I do not compare my intelligence to his. I'm sure he out-stripped my IQ by decades of points, but I have actually stayed on a successful commune. It is successful not because it opposes or fights. It is successful because it attracts and grows. Little by little the surrounding area is transforming to a knder, cooperative atmosphere.