Firstly, sorry Daniel...didn't see the other thread. Didn't mean to cut in!
Secondly, yeah, I posted about Marin because I thought it would be welcome news to many here -- if, for no other reason, only to show that hearts are capable of change and growth. However, the issue (surprise!) is deeper than that.
If I may hazard yet another link, Andrew Sullivan has an ongoing back-and-forth on the topic over at his blog at The Atlantic
, Daily Dish