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Old 11-05-2010, 06:03 PM
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Default well All I can say is see for yourself

Courage my friends. The more of us venture and make a mark from within a growing movement the more we become a part internally rather than an adversary against which to posture.

Don't the freedom riders visit college campuses that discriminate against us?

Why bash against the gate when we can Create change From within?

below is a cut and paste from a thread I started there:



By far my greatest anxiety in the evolution of American society dramatized in the recent political battles is the use of power to oppress. Laws that give privilege to one group while denying it to another are in direct contradiction to the first passages that assure that all "Men are created equal"



Though this statement reflects the patriarchal or "andro-centric" view at the time many authors including Emerson referred to humanity (male and female) as "men"



My concern specifically is centered on members of the Tea Party who have been quoted as defending entitlement to oppress folk who have capacity for intimacy with their own gender. That some how the original Constitution Dictates that Equality to the right to the pursuit of happiness does not apply to some "Men."



I was heartened to see, however, That in this site's forum prohibits comments that disciminate with respect to "sexual orientation."



Politically I am probably closer idealogically to the Tea Party as stated on this website than i am to either Republican or Democrat Agendae. My best description of my political belief is libertarian Socialist which was a Movement in 19th century France. Basically a minimun of laws curbing freedom while protecting common resoucres like rivers, The Grand Canyon etc.to belong to and be accessible to all.



I am an avid reader of history and appreciate the brilliant intellectual foundation of the original constitution. Sound and enduring, this ideal continues to be applicable today.



So despite what I have heard second-hand I joined this site with an open mind. So far I am glad that i have done so.



Scott Snedeker






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Permalink Reply by Texas Rebel 1 day ago


Welcome Scott! We are glad to have you. Please be sure to click on the link "Patriots" and then "Mission" up at the top of the page. We have a VERY broad Mission, and have plenty of room for all walks - as long as you share our core values. Even if you don't, then you can give us plenty of practice convincing Progressives to change their evil ways.


Reply by Nathan 1 day ago

You are most welcome here, Scott. Glad you did not let what others may have described this group as keep you from finding out for yourself. Again, welcome aboard!



by Scott Snedeker 23 hours ago

Thanks for the responses! The more I read, the more I feel that the Tea Party fits my feelings. I have to confess That I am Phobic of Republican opression of minorities like myself, but as a Libertarin I can find more and more common ground with Tea Party ideals. I have a growing sense that Republicans and Democrats are distorting Tea Party Agendae out of the fear of loss of power.

I find my skepticism profoundly shaken and feel a little uneasy that I may have unjustly judged Tea Party Patriots as fascist. I now wonder if I myself have been a closeted tea party patriot and didn't know it!!!

It would not be the first time for this kind of experience for me If you know what I mean ;-)



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Reply by Jayhawker 23 hours ago


Hello Scott,

Glad to have you join the party.


Reply by Scott Snedeker 2 hours ago
Thank you!!! Glad to be here



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Reply by Rhodes 23 hours ago


We have little in common with the current GOP leadership Scott just as you seem to have little in common with current gay rights advocate groups.

I do not know how you consolidate libertarian and socialistic views, isn't that kind of like loving ice cream and hating cold stuff? Only the french could come up with that, nineteenth century political philosophies did not hold up well except for Progressives which does not endear the period to many.

Ah well what you will find here is a respect for those advocating liberty and a complete lack of respect for any groups attempting to assign itself special privilege by law or try to force acceptance, not tolerance there is a huge difference, of lifestyles they see as counter to our survival as a republic. Some don't like a lot of stuff I advocate either but I can argue most into a corner so its all good.
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Reply by Scott Snedeker 3 hours ago


Forcing acceptance is as futile continuing to cut a string because it is too short....LOL The history of "gay lifestyle" is one of fear and profound misunderstanding.

Very simply put, I have capacity for intimacy with my own gender but not with the opposite gender. It is how I am wired up neurologically.

What another person's label or feeling about such is, is separate from me. It is something that they own. It only affects me if either I feel the need to change how they feel or if a law is made to curtail my rights.

Changing how another feels about me is not something to which I feel entitled. Changing an unjust law that says that I have fewer rights is something to which The Constitution says I am entitled (Judicial Branch)

For example, because I am in love with another man and share my life wih him, The state of Florida has defined me as not having the legal right to adopt my neice and nephew who would then be referred to foster care if my brother and sister-in-law were killed.

Chew on that for a bit.

Well in court, it was chewed on chewed up and ruled unconstitutional. An unjust law was changed and as of 3 weeks ago If such an thing should happen, My neice and nephew would be raised by family instead of the State invading our family and taking our children from it to be raised by strangers.

So naturally you can see why I find Tea Party ideals so unexpectedly appealing!!!!!

At the beginning of this thread I expressed my apprehension that the Tea Party mission included oppression through legislation. I was convinced from media that this was the case. However I signed on with an open mind. I find more and more that this is not the case.

I find that Tea Party members are courageous folk.

So Rhodes, do you know any folks who are open about their capacity for same gender intimacy?

If not, you do now. Be sure you won't turn gay. The world won't come to an end. The way to let go of discomfort with what may make you feel uneasy ie "gay lifestyle" is to talk directly and see for yourself. Don't let someone else tell you what to think.



Reply by Peach 1 hour ago

I agree with you totally on the foster care and child custody topic. When a child cannot remain in their home or parents killed, first the court must look for willing and able family members to care for the child. Willing and able comes before sexual orientation.In GA children have been placed with gay relatives.






Reply by c a schneider 23 hours ago

Welcome Scott, This is a good place for all !



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Reply by Scott Snedeker 2 hours ago

Delete Thank you!! I am see that more and more!



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Reply by charles royer sr. 1 hour ago

Scott, All men are created equal" IN THE EYES OF GOD". What they do with their life is 90% in their hands.



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