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Originally Posted by josey
I agree that it is the I AM, and not Christ, but then the rest of it says, No one comes to the Father except through me, which makes it seem like you have to go through him. Why doesn't it read, except through I AM?
I bolded that part, to show you something.
I hope that made sense. Anyone have any ideas?
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I think it might also help to see more of the text...
I prefer the Douay-Rheims version, most of the time, but all of them have a different way of saying the same thing at times =)
4 And whither I go you know: and the way you know.
5 Thomas saith to him: Lord, we know not whither thou goest. And how can we know the way?
6 Jesus saith to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me. 7 If you had known me, you would without doubt have known my Father also: and from henceforth you shall know him. And you have seen him.
*note here it says ~by~ me, not a big deal for now, but ;-)
8 Philip saith to him: Lord, shew us the Father; and it is enough for us.
9 Jesus saith to him: Have I been so long a time with you and have you not known me? Philip, he that seeth me seeth the Father also. How sayest thou: Shew us the Father? 10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father in me? The words that I speak to you, I speak not of myself. But the Father who abideth in me, he doth the works. 11 Believe you not that I am in the Father and the Father in me?
I bolded that part because it shows how they are ~One~ ... I recently read a text from a Bhuddist that was describing a "oneness" with many things, being ~in~ a cloud, and the cloud is in you... lemme see if I can find that... to give you more examples of "Oneness" ;-)
Thich Nhat Hanh
Interbeing
The Sun has entered me.
The Sun has entered me together with the cloud and the river.
I myself have entered the Sun with the cloud and the river.
There has not been a moment when we do not interpenetrate.
But before the Sun entered me, the Sun was in me –
also the cloud and the river.
Before I entered the river, I was already in it.
There has not been a moment when we have not inter-been.
Therefore you know that as long as you continue to breathe,
I continue to be in you.
Please note, I ~also~ like to interpret the line "The Sun has entered me." as "the Son has entered me" because I invited him to live in me, as a Christian =)
So try seeing it not that "I Am" and "Christ" are ~separate~, but one in the same, as persons of the Trinity, so so when Jesus says the word "Me", he ~also~ means "I Am".
If you want, I can go into a lot more depth explaining how that works when you apply Linguistics... sort of a proof I've been working on, but I need a break from the computer =P
By the way, I'm a
Catholic Christian, but not a Roman one... ;-)