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Old 06-10-2006, 03:02 AM
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Thumbs down Focus on the Family response to Truth Wins Out (Citizen Link)

Like this one Rick . In response to the announcement of Truth Wins Out. Part of The subject matter was specifically about false “research,” so that took at least some wind out of their sails, but in a fundamental way. They put much more emphasis on the Bible/belief aspect than usual, they had to.

Ex-Gay Conference Targeted with Counter Messaging June 6, 2006 (same as below)

Love Won Out will bring the message that change is possible to the Washington, D.C,. this weekend -- but a homosexual-activist group is planning its own conference.

People will gather at Immanuel's Church in Silver Spring, Md., on Saturday to hear the message that there is hope for those struggling with unwanted same-sex attraction. But gay-activist Wayne Besen has announced a counterconference to be called "Truth Wins Out."

Mike Haley, director of the gender-issues department at Focus on the Family and the Love Won Out conference host, said Besen intends to directly challenge the message that people can change their sexual orientation.

"It's a direct response to what we're doing with Love Won Out," he said. "Even their name -- Truth Wins Out -- they have to piggyback off of the success of Love Won Out. I think they thought for years it was going to go away, but they are seeing that it is more successful now than it's ever been."

"Even their name -- Truth Wins Out -- they have to piggyback off of the success of Love Won Out.
-By the end of the sentence the name of the organization is synonymous with the "success" of the organization itself.

An article by Besen shows how he intends to frame his message:

"While Focus on the Family has the right to prey on people who want to 'change,' they also have the responsibility to tell the truth, which they do not," he said. "Instead of honesty, conference participants will get heavy doses of scientifically bankrupt theories and misleading information that conceals the true failure rate of so-called reparative therapy."
-That ain't no frame, that's a charge worthy of indictment. And their response:

Haley said those words are typical of the vitriol from the homosexual community.
-"vitriol," akin to name calling in response to a legitimate concern.

"I don't know what they are proclaiming the truth to be -- they like to claim that all the medical organizations are against reparative therapy and that it's harmful, but the reality is that that isn't what the organizations have said," he said.
Bold Faced LIE. But not specific, he didn't dare cite a stat or study.

"Instead, they have said that homosexuality is multi-causal and there's proof positive over the years that men and women have changed."
-Ambiguous, you'd think he'd want to be specific, the charge against them was specific.

Haley, who left homosexuality, said he and thousands of others are living proof that truth does win out.
-"Thousands," and no sources mentioned. Typical.

That message of change is something the homosexual community refuses to tolerate, even though tolerance is what they claim to seek.
-Yes Mike, we refuse to tolerate lies. But no Mike, we don't seek the tolerance of lies.

"In asking for tolerance, they are asking people to tolerate everything and to stand for nothing,"
Tolerate absolutely everything? Stand for absolutely nothing? Really? Would you care to Elaborate on that scandalously over generalized accusation Mike?

--And what's left over when you can't use "scientifically bankrupt theories and misleading information that conceals the true failure rate?" The Bible. Who can argue with an unverifiable third party god who can't be wrong?

Haley said. "We as Christians have Biblical standards that we are called to stand for. We have to stand for marriage. We have to stand for righteousness. And we have to stand for the truth that people can walk away from homosexuality. Homosexuality is not what God intended for mankind."

Haley said he isn't the least bit discouraged to learn about Besen's event. In fact, the timing couldn't be better. The U.S. Senate is set to vote on the Marriage Protection Amendment on Wednesday.

"As Christians we know that God preordains things. We plan these events a year-and-a-half to two years in advance," he said. "It just so happens that we are in the Washington, D.C., area during a number of things such a gay-pride event and the current focus on the Marriage Protection Amendment. Obviously, God knew we needed a balanced, loving response. So that's what we're going to offer."
-So God is responsible for the "timing." Well that much of the article is true. The question is, did it sound balanced and loving?

This is a man who gives advice in his book "101 Questions About Homosexuality," that if your child tells you that they are gay and that they've accepted it, that you should pray that they become "as miserable as possible as soon as possible, with God's protection." Essentially hell without death. Thus the "infinite" power and love of his god.
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