The KJV Is The Inerrant Word Of God (Jesus Christ)

[cjb]

I wouldn't say the Bible is fiction. In fact....it is very accurate and reliable in the matters of history.

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Isaiah 43:4-5 Since thou wast precious in my sight, thou hast been honourable, and I have loved thee: therefore will I give men for thee, and people for thy life. Fear not: for I am with thee: I will bring thy seed from the east, and gather thee from the west;

Isaiah foretold of the worldwide return of Jews to Israel
Bible passage: Isaiah 43:5-6
Prophet: Isaiah
Written: perhaps between 701-681 BC
Fulfilled: late 1900s

In Isaiah 43:5-6, the prophet said that the people of Israel would return to their homeland from the east, the west, the north and the south. Isaiah lived 2700 years ago. Beginning at that time, a succession of empires conquered the land of Israel and forced many into exile. This led to a worldwide scattering of Jews. But, during the past century, millions have returned to Israel.

From the east: Many Jews living in Middle East countries moved to Israel during the 1900s. After Israel reclaimed independence in 1948, more Jews moved to their ancient homeland after being forced out of various Arab countries in which they had been living for centuries.

From the west: During the mid-1900s, hundreds of thousands of Jews living in the West (Europe and the United States) began moving to Israel to escape various persecutions, most notably, the Holocaust in Nazi Germany.

From the north: Hundreds of thousands of Jews living in the former Soviet Union have moved to Israel since the 1980s.

From the south: During the 1980s and 1990s, Israel struck a deal with Ethiopia's communist government to allow Jews of Ethiopia to move to Israel. On the weekend of May 25, 1991, for example, 14,500 Ethiopian Jews were airlifted to Israel.

Isaiah's prophecy was also correct in saying that the north (Russia) and the south (Ethiopia) would have to be persuaded to allow their Jews to move to Israel. Many countries pressured Russia for years before it began to allow its Jews to leave. And Ethiopia had to be paid a ransom to allow its Jews to leave.

Isaiah's prophecy was also correct in saying that the Jews would return "from the ends of the earth," and Isaiah said that many centuries before the Jews had been scattered to the ends of the earth. During the past 100 years, Jews living as far east as China, as far west as the West Coast of the United States, as far north as Scandinavia, and as far south as South Africa, Australia and South America, have moved to Israel.

Isaiah 27:12-13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall beat off from the channel of the river unto the stream of Egypt, and ye shall be gathered one by one, O ye children of Israel. And it shall come to pass in that day, that the great trumpet shall be blown, and they shall come which were ready to perish in the land of Assyria, and the outcasts in the land of Egypt, and shall worship the LORD in the holy mount at Jerusalem.

God promised to restore the Jews
Bible passage: Isaiah 27:12-13
Prophet: Isaiah
Written: perhaps between 701-681 BC
Fulfilled: Since late 1800s

In Isaiah 27:12-13, the prophet said that the exiled Jews would return to their homeland. During the time of Isaiah, about 2700 years ago, the Assyrians were conquering the northern part of the Jewish homeland and forcing many Jews into exile. A few hundred years later, the Babylonians did the same to the southern part of the homeland. Many Jews did return during the centuries that followed. They rebuilt the Temple and worshipped at the Temple. But, in 70 AD and in 135 AD, the Romans suppressed two uprisings among Jews in Jerusalem, who fought, unsuccessfully, for independence from the Roman Empire. After each of the uprisings, the Romans exiled hundreds of thousands of Jews. After the second uprising, the Romans temporarily banned Jews from living in Jerusalem. But the Jews have been returning in large numbers since the late 1800s. So far, about one of every three Jews in the world now live in Israel.

Isaiah 35:1-2 The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose. It shall blossom abundantly, and rejoice even with joy and singing: the glory of Lebanon shall be given unto it, the excellency of Carmel and Sharon, they shall see the glory of the LORD, and the excellency of our God.

Isaiah foretold the restoration of Israel
Bible passage: Isaiah 35:1-2
Prophet: Isaiah
Written: perhaps between 701-681 BC
Fulfilled: 1900s

In Isaiah 35:1-2, the prophet said that although Israel would become a desolate land, its deserts would one day bloom again. This Bible verse foreshadows the restoration of Israel that has been taking place since the early 1900s. Millions of Jews have returned to their ancient homeland and have innovated sophisticated farming techniques and extensive reforestation programs to convert parched desert into productive farmland. More than 200 million trees have been planted in Israel since 1900, according to the Jewish National Fund.

Amen....

[NathanATX]

I believe we can find the words of God in the Word.

The Bible is what it is, nothing more, nothing less.

I think we sometimes elevate it to a form of deity... We can certainly see revelations & pictures of who God is in the Bible, but I think we should be careful about idolizing the bible.

Recommended reading: A New Christianity for a New World by John Shelby Spong

[photosynthesis]

Originally Posted by NathanATX

I believe we can find the words of God in the Word.

The Bible is what it is, nothing more, nothing less.

I think we sometimes elevate it to a form of deity... We can certainly see revelations & pictures of who God is in the Bible, but I think we should be careful about idolizing the bible.

Recommended reading: A New Christianity for a New World by John Shelby Spong

I too, have seen how people can make the Bible into an idol of its own. However, treating the Bible as an infallible document is hardly idolatrous. We must remember that the Holy Spirit is powerful enough to work through human tradition, guiding the composition and canonization of Biblical texts.

[cjb]

Originally Posted by NathanATX

I believe we can find the words of God in the Word.

The Bible is what it is, nothing more, nothing less.

I think we sometimes elevate it to a form of deity... We can certainly see revelations & pictures of who God is in the Bible, but I think we should be careful about idolizing the bible.

We should elevate the Bible to the form of diety, after all....Jesus Christ made it clear, the Word Is God:

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Re 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

You cannot Love God (Jesus Christ) and say you don't believe in what he has to say.

There's two things that Jesus Christ cannot do:
1. He cannot Learn
2. He cannot Lie

Rejection is calling him a liar.

[photosynthesis]

Originally Posted by cjb

We should elevate the Bible to the form of diety, after all....Jesus Christ made it clear, the Word Is God:

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Re 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

You cannot Love God (Jesus Christ) and say you don't believe in what he has to say.

There's two things that Jesus Christ cannot do:
1. He cannot Learn
2. He cannot Lie

Rejection is calling him a liar.

Actually, saying Jesus can't learn is denying the fact that he had a human nature. The fact that Jesus grew up with human parents and experienced all of the things of childhood is part of the mysery of the Incarnation. I imagine he would have learned about carpentry from St. Joseph, his foster-father. That doesn't supercede the fact that he is also the Divine Teacher.

[cjb]

To say Jesus had a human nature denies him his rightful title. Which is LORD. Certain people knew who he was and so did he.

Lu 2:11 - For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

Luke 2:29-30 Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word: For mine eyes have seen thy salvation,

Luke 2:33 And Joseph and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him.

Lu 2:40 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.

Luke 2:45-47 And when they found him not, they turned back again to Jerusalem, seeking him. And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions. And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers.

Luke 2:48-49 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing. And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?


Zechariah foreshadowed the betrayal of Jesus for 30 pieces of silver
Bible passage: Zechariah 11:12-13
Prophet: Zechariah
Written: between 520 and 518 BC
Fulfilled: About 32 AD

Zechariah 11:11-13 And it was broken in that day: and so the poor of the flock that waited upon me knew that it was the word of the LORD. And I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver. And the LORD said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the LORD.

David foreshadowed the crucifiction of Jesus
Bible passage: Psalms 22:16
Prophet: King David
Written: Around a 1000 BC
Fulfilled: About 32 AD


Psalms 22:16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.


Crucifixion is an ancient method of execution, where the victim was tied or nailed to a large wooden cross (Latin: crux) and left to hang there until dead. It was a fairly common form of execution from the 6th century BC, especially among the Persians, Egyptians, Carthaginians, and Romans, until c. 313 AD, when Christianity became the dominant faith in Rome. Crucifixion has special significance in Christianity as Jesus was put to death by the Romans by being nailed to a cross.


What's most amazing.....IS The FACT....that the use of crucifixion as a way of execution was prophesied about and described by David 400 Years before it was invented/used.

Jesus is truly Lord...amen

More to come....

[NathanATX]

My thoughts are that cjb is just here to "cut & paste" fundamentalist doctrine, like the "accuracy" of bible prophecy, in order to lay a foundation for his/her ex-gay beliefs. I may be incorrect, of course.

At any rate, I think the following post and my response address some of the things cjb is posting.

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Originally Posted by Legion
To all you folks:
Obviously, we cannot interpret everything in the Bible as literal, since there are different types of literature within the Bible. And yes, God is bigger than simple stories. On that we agree. However, I am still curious how you decide what is allegorical/metaphorical and what is not. What is the basis of your discrimination between literal and allegorical, besides personal inclination? I appreciate NathanATX indicating that he honors how the Spirit speaks to me, but if the Spirit is speaking different things to us, then how can it be the same Spirit? How can you feel secure in personal beliefs that you do not consider right or wrong? God is unchanging and immutable. His counsels are everlasting throughout all eternity and there can be no contradiction within Him. God does not adapt to us, nor is His Gospel made to conform to our human motives and desires. It is we that must change, that must examine our lives and enter into obedience with the eternal laws of God's wisdom and covenant specified in the Holy Scriptures.

The story of Adam and Eve may indeed be allegorical, but then what is the significance of the characters in the allegory? Are Biblical allegories not used for teaching godly living? Dismissing the Bible as allegorical does not get anyone off the hook. Biblical allegory and parable is just as potent as Biblical history.

Is there absolute truth? Is there any kind of ultimate morality or standard of righteousness? What is the Bible? Who is God?This must be the question we address, rather than the fine points of doctrine and interpretation that only serve as a temporary smoke screen and only get us bogged down.

thanks all
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Legion, the questions you pose are exactly the questions the church needs to be asking today. I'll do my best to answer your questions from my perspective or let you know how I am seeking the answers myself.

"However, I am still curious how you decide what is allegorical/metaphorical and what is not. What is the basis of your discrimination between literal and allegorical, besides personal inclination?"

Well, I do a lot of reading for one. But the main basis I use is simple, common knowledge that we all have today. Thousands of years after the Bible was first compiled, we understand life completely differently. And the biblical writers' understanding of life was pivotal to the content of the stories and depictions of God they enscribed. If the underlying knowledge changes, doesn't that affect everything written based on that knowledge?

For example: the human-ness of Jesus. Biblical writers understood reproduction to be soley generated from the male. There wasn't a female counterpart needed, other than a womb for the male's baby to grow. Jesus was said to be "God in the flesh" because Mary was suppossed to have been supernaturally inseminated by God. Today we know that it takes the male & the female dna to create life. So the questions we now have are: Is Jesus fully God? Is Jesus 50% God and 50% human? How do these questions affect our Christology?

"I appreciate NathanATX indicating that he honors how the Spirit speaks to me, but if the Spirit is speaking different things to us, then how can it be the same Spirit? How can you feel secure in personal beliefs that you do not consider right or wrong?"

I think our individual traditions & experiences shape how we hear the Spirit. It would be very self-righteous and judgemental of me to hear you share something you believe that Spirit has revealed to you and tell you "you're wrong." Instead, I choose to appreciate that you say you are intent on listening to Spirit. If I have an opinion that is different from yours, I can share it in a way that doesn't leave you feeling evaluated or judged... it's just how Spirit speaks to me.

The security issue is very interesting. Do we choose to believe certain things because we are insecure? In "A New Christianity for a New World," John Shelby Spong talks about the "hysteria of self-consciousness" or the fear that hits people when we realize our frail humanity and our inability to protect ourselves from the finality of death. If that fear is the fundamental reason we believe in God, is our belief genuine? What if we were able to be brave in spite of our frailty? Would our understanding and views of God change? I think so.

"The story of Adam and Eve may indeed be allegorical, but then what is the significance of the characters in the allegory? Are Biblical allegories not used for teaching godly living?"

This line of questioning is right on the money! Through deciphering the meaning and the overall intent of these stories and passages, we can learn how God was known to the biblical writers. Through evaluating the culture and context of liturgies and stories, we can identify the reasons behind a lot of these writings.

One big question this brings up is the theology of atonement. If we understand the story of Adam & Eve to be allegorical and that "the fall" of mankind didn't really happen, then the theology of needing a savior to redeem sinners isn't neccessarily needed.

"Is there absolute truth? Is there any kind of ultimate morality or standard of righteousness? What is the Bible? Who is God?"

These are certainly the questions the church must grapple with and answer if it is to survive what John Shelby Spong calls the "death of theism" or the dying theologies that our current day wisdom and knowledge are disproving. Either Christianity finds a new and relevant interpretation of our faith tradition or we risk losing it altogether.

I HIGHLY recommend reading "Here I stand: My struggle for an authentic Christianity" and "A New Christianity for a New World" by John Shelby Spong.

[SolInvictus]

Respectfully, revering a sacred text as deity is equal to idoltry. It is an inanimate object w/ inscribed words written by men & women in the past. While it can be spiritually inspired, elevating a text to a deity is to lessen the value of the message & spiritual teacher.

When John refers to the "Word made flesh," he is referring to Jesus. Thus, the Bible, is not Jesus. By definition, Bible translates as "collection of books." Therefore, Holy Bible would describe a "sacred collection of books," and not a deified object (idol).

Furthurmore, remember the Jewish context of Christian worship to put things in perspective: the Word/Logos can refer to Wisdom or feminine personification of God. A Catholic Bible would be a great reference & Nag Hammadi texts to elaborate on this understanding of the term.

People seem to forget the history of the Bible. In taken in proper context & if based on a literal interpretation, then the original Bible is the Torah or first five books of the Bible, and/or the original Hebrew & Greek texts should be the sole source. Thus, a medieval translation during the reign of King James would not be properly understood unless such a person is familiar with Elisabethan English & original meaning tied to the terms, words, and phrases.

For a modern understanding, these translations would be best (in my opinion): RSV, NRSV (my preference), and/or New Jerusalem. The NIV & Good News translations are also translated into modern English.

This may not be the case in regards to the poster of the topic, but people I've met who support such theories (KJV as inerrant) believe Jesus was caucasian & spoke English. Factually speaking, Jesus was a Jewish man in Judea/Israel, and thus was more than likely dark-skinned, and the common language in the Galilee region was Aramaic, a Hebrew dialect.

The modern Bible, historically speaking, is derived from a large selection of many different texts selected by bishops & priests by order of the Roman emperor, Constantine the Great, and later approved by the Catholic church.
During the Reformation, Martin Luther & other Protestants had Tobit, Jubilees, Wisdom of Solomon, and some other books removed from their version of the Bible due to doctrinal disagreement with the Catholic orthodoxy.

In regards to the "prophecy" of the crucifixion of Christ, that can be found in the Book of Isaiah (not written by David), an Old Testament prophet. This verse is sometimes called the verse of The Suffering Servant:
"He was despised and rejected by others; a man of suffering, and acquainted with infirmity; and as one from whom others hide their faces. He was despised, and we held him of no account. Surely, he has borne our iniquities and carried our diseases; yet we accounted him stricken, struck down by God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions...by his bruises we are healed."
-- Isaiah 53:3-5

[Emproph]

Originally Posted by cjb

I wouldn't say the Bible is fiction. In fact....it is very accurate and reliable in the matters of history.

Accuracy is not the same as inerrancy.

Edit (Actually I'm wrong about that, accuracy is pretty much the same as inerrancy. Sorry cjb)

[NonLemming]

I agree with you Nathan. The bible is, for many, a way get closer to the essence of God. But far too many diefy it, I fear, instead of deifying its subject. I've known many people who quote the bible or wear a larger than necessary cross in order to wear religion on their sleeves. And that is the type of idol worship that many, especially Moses, warned about. Granted in Moses' day, it was a calf, today it could be a bag of cash, a trophy wife,or 1000 shares of GM stock, or a crucifix or blood weeping statues, or even the bible itself. We must be careful of what we worship.

[keltic63]

wow, not even a "hello" thread, just jump right in with a thread that could very likely stir up some very strong emotions. Post a few news stories, a little current history, call it prophecy fulfilled, entitle the thread with what appears to be bait, then walk off and watch the fireworks. Sorry, I'm not jumping in on this one.

[cjb]

MOSESwas a Hebrew born in Egypt about 3400 years ago.

Unknown to Moses and the rest of the Israelites, their camp was laid out in the figure of a cross. Quite amazing, while at the time, the cross wasn’t a Jewish symbol. And what’s more amazing, (without knowing it) Moses also foretold that Jesus Christ would come out the EAST from the tribe of Judah.
Bible passage: Numbers 2
Prophet: Moses
Written: perhaps around 1400 BC
Fulfilled: the day that Jesus Christ died on the cross – around 32 AD

Nu:2:1: And the LORD spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying,
Nu:2:2: Every man of the children of Israel shall pitch by his own standard, with the ensign of their father's house: far off about the tabernacle of the congregation shall they pitch.
Nu:2:3: And on the east side toward the rising of the sunshall they of the standard of the camp of Judah pitch throughout their armies: and Nahshon the son of Amminadab shall be captain of the children of Judah.
Nu:2:4: And his host, and those that were numbered of them, were threescore and fourteen thousand and six hundred. 74,600
Nu:2:5: And those that do pitch next unto him shall be the tribe of Issachar: and Nethaneel the son of Zuar shall be captain of the children of Issachar.
Nu:2:6: And his host, and those that were numbered thereof, were fifty and four thousand and four hundred. 54,400
Nu:2:7: Then the tribe of Zebulun: and Eliab the son of Helon shall be captain of the children of Zebulun.
Nu:2:8: And his host, and those that were numbered thereof, were fifty and seven thousand and four hundred. 57,400
Nu:2:9: All that were numbered in the camp of Judah were an hundred thousand and fourscore thousand and six thousand and four hundred, throughout their armies. These shall first set forth. 186,400

Nu:2:10: On the south side shall be the standard of the camp of Reuben according to their armies: and the captain of the children of Reuben shall be Elizur the son of Shedeur.
Nu:2:11: And his host, and those that were numbered thereof, were forty and six thousand and five hundred. 46,500
Nu:2:12: And those which pitch by him shall be the tribe of Simeon: and the captain of the children of Simeon shall be Shelumiel the son of Zurishaddai.
Nu:2:13: And his host, and those that were numbered of them, were fifty and nine thousand and three hundred. 59,300
Nu:2:14: Then the tribe of Gad: and the captain of the sons of Gad shall be Eliasaph the son of Reuel.
Nu:2:15: And his host, and those that were numbered of them, were forty and five thousand and six hundred and fifty. 45,650
Nu:2:16: All that were numbered in the camp of Reuben were an hundred thousand and fifty and one thousand and four hundred and fifty, throughout their armies. And they shall set forth in the second rank. 151,450

Nu:2:17: Then the tabernacle of the congregation shall set forward with the camp of the Levites in the midst of the camp: as they encamp, so shall they set forward, every man in his place by their standards.

Nu:2:18: On the west side shall be the standard of the camp of Ephraim according to their armies: and the captain of the sons of Ephraim shall be Elishama the son of Ammihud.
Nu:2:19: And his host, and those that were numbered of them, were forty thousand and five hundred. 40,500
Nu:2:20: And by him shall be the tribe of Manasseh: and the captain of the children of Manasseh shall be Gamaliel the son of Pedahzur.
Nu:2:21: And his host, and those that were numbered of them, were thirty and two thousand and two hundred. 32,200
Nu:2:22: Then the tribe of Benjamin: and the captain of the sons of Benjamin shall be Abidan the son of Gideoni.
Nu:2:23: And his host, and those that were numbered of them, were thirty and five thousand and four hundred. 35,400
Nu:2:24: All that were numbered of the camp of Ephraim were an hundred thousand and eight thousand and an hundred, throughout their armies. And they shall go forward in the third rank. 108,100

Nu:2:25: The standard of the camp of Dan shall be on the north side by their armies: and the captain of the children of Dan shall be Ahiezer the son of Ammishaddai.
Nu:2:26: And his host, and those that were numbered of them, were threescore and two thousand and seven hundred. 62,700
Nu:2:27: And those that encamp by him shall be the tribe of Asher: and the captain of the children of Asher shall be Pagiel the son of Ocran.
Nu:2:28: And his host, and those that were numbered of them, were forty and one thousand and five hundred. 41,500
Nu:2:29: Then the tribe of Naphtali: and the captain of the children of Naphtali shall be Ahira the son of Enan.
Nu:2:30: And his host, and those that were numbered of them, were fifty and three thousand and four hundred. 53,400
Nu:2:31: All they that were numbered in the camp of Dan were an hundred thousand and fifty and seven thousand and six hundred. 157,600 They shall go hindmost with their standards.
Nu:2:32: These are those which were numbered of the children of Israel by the house of their fathers: all those that were numbered of the camps throughout their hosts were six hundred thousand and three thousand and five hundred and fifty. 603,550
Nu:2:33: But the Levites were not numbered among the children of Israel; as the LORD commanded Moses.
Nu:2:34: And the children of Israel did according to all that the LORD commanded Moses: so they pitched by their standards, and so they set forward, every one after their families, according to the house of their fathers.

The Camp Of Israel

Numbers 2

Judah 74,600 Ephraim 40,500
Issachar 54,400 Manasseh 32,200
Zebulin 57,400 Benjamin 35,400
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186,400 108,100

Reuben 46,500 Dan 62,700
Simeon 59,300 Asher 41,500
Gad 45,650 Naphtali 53,400
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151,450 157,600




Revelation 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
Matthew 2:2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.
Matthew 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.



PS....I haven't posted an run off to watch the fireworks..... I'm not online 24 hours a day. I do have a job.

More to come...

[cjb]

Daniel predicted the split of the Greek Empire after the death of Alexander.

Four Regions
Bible passage: Daniel 8:19-22, 11:2-4
Prophet: Daniel
Written: about 530 BC
Fulfilled: At the time of Alexander's Death


[19] And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end [shall be].

[20] The ram which thou sawest having [two] horns [are] the kings of Media and Persia.

[21] And the rough goat [is] the king of Grecia: and the great horn that [is] between his eyes [is] the first king.

[22] Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power. (Dan 8:19-22 KJV)


[2] And now will I shew thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia; and the fourth shall be far richer than [they] all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia.

[3] And a mighty king shall stand up, that shall rule with great dominion, and do according to his will.

[4] And when he shall stand up, his kingdom shall be broken, and shall be divided toward the four winds of heaven; and not to his posterity, nor according to his dominion which he ruled: for his kingdom shall be plucked up, even for others beside those. (Dan 11:2-4 KJV)

Being broken. After Alexander's death, in the prime of life and in the height
of his conquests, his brother and two sons were all murdered; and the kingdom
was divided among four of his generals.

1. Seleucus, who had Syria and Babylon;

2. Lysimachus, who had Asia Minor;

3. Ptolemy II, who had Egypt; and, (Responsible for translating the Hebrew to Greek - The Septuagint)

4. Cassander, who had Greece, etc.


Sep·tu·a·gint ( P ) Pronunciation Key (spt--jnt, sp-t-jnt, -ty-)
n.
A Greek version of the Hebrew Scriptures that dates from the 3rd century B.C., containing both a translation of the Hebrew and additional and variant material, regarded as the standard form of the Old Testament in the early Christian Church and still canonical in the Eastern Orthodox Church

Septuagint
n : the oldest Greek version of the Old Testament; said to have been translated from the Hebrew by Jewish scholars at the request of Ptolemy II

Septuagint - What is It?
Septuagint (sometimes abbreviated LXX) is the name given to the Greek translation of the Jewish Scriptures. The Septuagint has its origin in Alexandria, Egypt and was translated between 300-200 BC. Widely used among Hellenistic Jews, this Greek translation was produced because many Jews spread throughout the empire were beginning to lose their Hebrew language. The process of translating the Hebrew to Greek also gave many non-Jews a glimpse into Judaism. According to an ancient document called the Letter of Aristeas, it is believed that 70 to 72 Jewish scholars were commissioned during the reign of Ptolemy Philadelphus to carry out the task of translation. The term “Septuagint” means seventy in Latin, and the text is so named to the credit of these 70 scholars.

More To Come......

[NonLemming]

cjb stated:

From what source do you draw he conclusion that GOD has a feminine side.


Wait a minute, I know I was taught that God created man in "His" own image. I always assumed that meant "mankind", which I also thought was pretty egotistical of us, but I went with it. Now you mean to tell me that God has a penis? If anything, I would have thought God had both sex organs if he/she/it had any. So he has a large penis? With whom does he copulate or from where does the "feminine side" originate?

This is very disconcerting.

[cjb]

Again....no proof was presented...!!!!!

I don't have problem with God (Jesus Christ) being a man only.

1. If he was feminine....why would he say for men not to be feminine.

2. If he was both sexes what was the purpose of having two separate beings with differant sexes in the first place

But I suppose that the thinking of the New Age movement. They would rather have a god that's a androgenous earthworm.

[Joe Brummer]

Originally Posted by cjb

Again....no proof was presented...!!!!!

I don't have problem with God (Jesus Christ) being a man only.

1. If he was feminine....why would he say for men not to be feminine.

2. If he was both sexes what was the purpose of having two separate beings with differant sexes in the first place

But I suppose that the thinking of the New Age movement. They would rather have a god that's a androgenous earthworm.

Could you please point out to me where Jesus said men should not be effemite? I can see some places in the bible where such things could be found, but nothing said by Christ.

[SolInvictus]

Due to a busy weekend,
I wasn't online to answer your replies cjb. "Ask and ye shall receive..."

First, I did not say Jesus had a feminine side - I said God did. In the Kabbalah, Sheckinah is the feminine aspect of God, of God's radiant Light.
In Christian Gnosticism, Pistia Sophia refers to the Mother of Gods or Wisdom that transcends deities. These sources are available in the translated Kabbalah text, and the Nag Hammadi Texts written by early Christians & Gnostic Christians. Gnosis refers to knowledge, and thus Gnostics believed knowledge as the ultimate source of salvation.

Now, to cite direct Biblical passages that God had a possible feminine side:

"Does not wisdom call, and does not understanding raise her voice. On the heights, beside the way, at the crossroads she takes her stand; beside the gates in front of the town, at the entrance of the portals she cries out: To you, O people, I call, and my cry is to all that live. O simple ones, learn prudence; acquire intelligence for those who lack it..." Proverbs 8:1-5 NRSV Translation.

"The Lord created me at the beginning of his work, the first acts of long ago. Ages ago I was set up, at the first, before the beginning of the earth"
Proverbs 8:22-23 NRSV Translation.

"Wisdom has built her house, she has hewn her seven pillars" Proverbs 9:1 NRSV Translation.

"For wisdom is a kindly spirit, and will not free a blasphemer from the guilt of her words" Wisdom of Solomon 1:6 RSV Catholic Edition.

"Wisdom rescued from troubles those who served her" Wisdom of Solomon 10:9 RSV Catholic Edition.

As you can see, cjb, the Protestant & Catholic translations of the Bible both refer to the feminine side of God, Wisdom, also called the Holy Spirit (Pistia Sophia).

Logos/The Word does refer to Jesus, I agree, as God Made Flesh as the "spirit made truth."

In Peace,
Sol

[cjb]

Originally Posted by Joe Brummer

Could you please point out to me where Jesus said men should not be effemite? I can see some places in the bible where such things could be found, but nothing said by Christ.

Sure....I can do that. Paul was appointed by Jesus Christ to be his witness. So through the Holy Spririt..... whatever Paul wrote and taught was a direction from Jesus Christ himself.


Ac:22:6: And it came to pass, that, as I made my journey, and was come nigh unto Damascus about noon, suddenly there shone from heaven a great light round about me.
Ac:22:7: And I fell unto the ground, and heard a voice saying unto me, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
Ac:22:8: And I answered, Who art thou, Lord? And he said unto me, I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom thou persecutest.
Ac:22:9: And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.
Ac:22:10: And I said, What shall I do, Lord? And the Lord said unto me, Arise, and go into Damascus; and there it shall be told thee of all things which are appointed for thee to do.
Ac:22:11: And when I could not see for the glory of that light, being led by the hand of them that were with me, I came into Damascus.
Ac:22:12: And one Ananias, a devout man according to the law, having a good report of all the Jews which dwelt there,
Ac:22:13: Came unto me, and stood, and said unto me, Brother Saul, receive thy sight. And the same hour I looked up upon him.
Ac:22:14: And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.
Ac:22:15: For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.
Ac:22:16: And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.


Book Introduction - 1 Corinthians

WRITER: The Apostle Paul. His relation to the church at Corinth is set forth in Acts 18:1-18 and in the Epistles to the Corinthians.

DATE: First Corinthians was written in A.D. 59, at the close of Paul's three year's residence in Ephesus. Acts 20:31; 1 Corinthians 16:5-8.

1Co:6:9: Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,