Iraqi cleric wants gays killed in "most severe way"

[schoolboi]

Iraqi cleric wants gays killed in "most severe way"

[Zerbie]

I wish this were surprising news. But it isn't. I also wish that world leaders would speak out against this kind of blatant and obvious incitement to genocide. As far I have observed so far, they haven't.

[SolInvictus]

Unfortunantly, killing gays for simply being gay is common in the Middle East, esp. in Egypt and Saudi Arabia.

[pnggrad79]

Hey you guys,
If Fred Phelps had his way, we would be killed in the most severe way in this country. We are deluding ourselves if we think it can't happen in this country. Pardon me for sounding alarmist, but we are doomed to repeat history if we don't learn from it. Can we say Pre-WW2 German Jews?
These Islamic fundamentalists are the same as Phelps, Falwell, Dobson, and Robertson with different clothes on.
It strikes me as peculiarly funny that people like these guys stick to the letter of the law like it is salvation itself, when all of the OT points to the fact that the law is death, and there is no way to make yourself acceptable to God. That was the whole point of the law, to show us we needed a Savior because we CAN'T DO IT OURSELVES. Jesus was the payment for our sinful humanity and all the laws we hide behind don't save us. His death on the cross saved us because the law and our faulty adherence to it couldn't save us. But we cling to it like Jesus' sacrifice meant nothing. It is a shabby fortress we hide behind because we are scared to death of the freedom of grace. We don't understand it and we don't live it in this country.

[maklelan]

Originally Posted by pnggrad79

Hey you guys,
If Fred Phelps had his way, we would be killed in the most severe way in this country. We are deluding ourselves if we think it can't happen in this country. Pardon me for sounding alarmist, but we are doomed to repeat history if we don't learn from it. Can we say Pre-WW2 German Jews?
These Islamic fundamentalists are the same as Phelps, Falwell, Dobson, and Robertson with different clothes on.

I think there's a pretty big difference. Granted these guys are full of it, but our country does obey the Rule of Law, and your situation is only going to improve from here. If you want everyone to respect you equally then respect others as well. They think you're just as messed up as you think they are.

Originally Posted by pnggrad79

It is a shabby fortress we hide behind because we are scared to death of the freedom of grace.

Grace is not a license to sin, ever though millions of people teach that it is. WE are saved by grace after all that we can do. No one can be saved due to their own efforts, but it's ridiculous to think that a person who accepts Christ and then utterly ignores His teachings for the rest of his life will receive an equal recompense with someone who wears out their life trying to develop and perpetuate righteousness and charity. Faith without works is dead. It cannot save a person.

[Joe Brummer]

Originally Posted by maklelan

Grace is not a license to sin, ever though millions of people teach that it is. WE are saved by grace after all that we can do. No one can be saved due to their own efforts, but it's ridiculous to think that a person who accepts Christ and then utterly ignores His teachings for the rest of his life will receive an equal recompense with someone who wears out their life trying to develop and perpetuate righteousness and charity. Faith without works is dead. It cannot save a person.

There seems to be debate about his teachings and what they really say. So even when one claims they are saved, and they believe they are living by his teachings. THere will always be someone who will claim the opposite. This is exactly why so many people hold the misinformation you cannot be saved and be gay.

[keltic63]

Originally Posted by maklelan

Grace is not a license to sin, ever though millions of people teach that it is. WE are saved by grace after all that we can do. No one can be saved due to their own efforts, but it's ridiculous to think that a person who accepts Christ and then utterly ignores His teachings for the rest of his life will receive an equal recompense with someone who wears out their life trying to develop and perpetuate righteousness and charity. Faith without works is dead. It cannot save a person.

why do you say this?
does the parable of the servants in Matthew 20:1-16 apply here? although some servants worked all day, and some only a few hours, all were paid what was promised to them, and all were paid an equal amount.
it's God's grace to give, and to give as God is so inclined. We may not like it, but it may be possible that someone accepts Christ then just doesn't do much in the way of following Christ's teachings and would still enter heaven. That's not for us to decide.

[schoolboi]

Originally Posted by maklelan

I think there's a pretty big difference. Granted these guys are full of it, but our country does obey the Rule of Law, and your situation is only going to improve from here. If you want everyone to respect you equally then respect others as well. They think you're just as messed up as you think they are.

Less then one hundred years ago a “civilized” country much like ours was overrun by fascism. Millions of people were exterminated. Who would have thought that could have ever happened? During that same time period we rounded up thousands of our own citizens and put them in to internment camps. Who would have thought that could have ever happened?

There are many people in this country today who would love to see homosexuals done away with. Even as a child I heard people say about gay men, “We should just round them all up and put them on an island.” I heard this from “good Christian people.” They might have been exaggerating, but the sentiment was sill there.

Things are not guaranteed to get better for us. As a matter of fact I truly believe its going to get worse before it gets better. I can’t wait for everyone to read Mel’s new book when it comes out. I have been very luck to be allowed to read the first few chapters. It is eye-opening to the reality of the state of Christianity and our nation.