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Old 10-27-2007, 01:11 PM
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Default BIBLE DISCUSSION: Galatians Chap. 3 - Oct 28-Nov 3

This thread is for posting any thoughts about the third chapter of Galatians.
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Old 10-28-2007, 02:33 PM
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Galatians 3 NRSV:

Law or Faith

3You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly exhibited as crucified! 2The only thing I want to learn from you is this: Did you receive the Spirit by doing the works of the law or by believing what you heard? 3Are you so foolish? Having started with the Spirit, are you now ending with the flesh? 4Did you experience so much for nothing?—if it really was for nothing. 5Well then, does God* supply you with the Spirit and work miracles among you by your doing the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard?

6 Just as Abraham ‘believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness’, 7so, you see, those who believe are the descendants of Abraham. 8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, declared the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, ‘All the Gentiles shall be blessed in you.’ 9For this reason, those who believe are blessed with Abraham who believed.

10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, ‘Cursed is everyone who does not observe and obey all the things written in the book of the law.’ 11Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law; for ‘The one who is righteous will live by faith.’* 12But the law does not rest on faith; on the contrary, ‘Whoever does the works of the law* will live by them.’ 13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, ‘Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree’— 14in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
The Promise to Abraham

15 Brothers and sisters,* I give an example from daily life: once a person’s will* has been ratified, no one adds to it or annuls it. 16Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring;* it does not say, ‘And to offsprings’,* as of many; but it says, ‘And to your offspring’,* that is, to one person, who is Christ. 17My point is this: the law, which came four hundred and thirty years later, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise. 18For if the inheritance comes from the law, it no longer comes from the promise; but God granted it to Abraham through the promise.
The Purpose of the Law

19 Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring* would come to whom the promise had been made; and it was ordained through angels by a mediator. 20Now a mediator involves more than one party; but God is one.

21 Is the law then opposed to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could make alive, then righteousness would indeed come through the law. 22But the scripture has imprisoned all things under the power of sin, so that what was promised through faith in Jesus Christ* might be given to those who believe.

23 Now before faith came, we were imprisoned and guarded under the law until faith would be revealed. 24Therefore the law was our disciplinarian until Christ came, so that we might be justified by faith. 25But now that faith has come, we are no longer subject to a disciplinarian, 26for in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith. 27As many of you as were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is no longer Jew or Greek, there is no longer slave or free, there is no longer male and female; for all of you are one in Christ Jesus. 29And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s offspring,* heirs according to the promise.
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Old 10-28-2007, 05:23 PM
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Because I am not versed in the ancient view of the Law, neither as a Greek nor as a Jew, I find Paul's reasoning through most of this chapter to be tortuous. Poor Abraham. All of creation seems to ride on him and his legacy. Yet all that convoluted rhetoric leads to the culmination of the chapter

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23 Now before faith came, we were imprisoned and guarded under the law until faith would be revealed. 24Therefore the law was our disciplinarian until Christ came, so that we might be justified by faith. 25But now that faith has come, we are no longer subject to a disciplinarian, 26for in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith. 27As many of you as were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is no longer Jew or Greek, there is no longer slave or free, there is no longer male and female; for all of you are one in Christ Jesus. 29And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s offspring,* heirs according to the promise.
It is SOOOO tempting to add the gay/straight polarity to the list in v. 28. That certainly is how I think of it. I think that Paul is saying that all those facile distincitions that we make so much about are washed away in baptism. I can't think of any opposites that were more entrenched in Paul's world than slave/free, Jew/Greek, male/female. That's why I think that ALL divisive distinctions, including gay/straight, are likewise washed away. We are no longer subject to human disciplinarians who wag their fingers and say, "No, you can't love that person. We've never done it that way before." We are all one in Christ Jesus. It says so right in the Bible!
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It is SOOOO tempting to add the gay/straight polarity to the list in v. 28. That certainly is how I think of it. I think that Paul is saying that all those facile distincitions that we make so much about are washed away in baptism. I can't think of any opposites that were more entrenched in Paul's world than slave/free, Jew/Greek, male/female. That's why I think that ALL divisive distinctions, including gay/straight, are likewise washed away. We are no longer subject to human disciplinarians who wag their fingers and say, "No, you can't love that person. We've never done it that way before." We are all one in Christ Jesus. It says so right in the Bible!
Nice thoughts about this. This is how the church should be. All one in Christ.
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Where are all the Greek scholars and New Testament scholars?

Galatians 1 got something like 62 responses. Galatians 2 was in the high 30s. Now we're on the third chapter and everyone has disappeared just when it's getting good.

Pablo, Antony, u-dog, sailaway, others, where are you when we need you?
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Where are all the Greek scholars and New Testament scholars?

Galatians 1 got something like 62 responses. Galatians 2 was in the high 30s. Now we're on the third chapter and everyone has disappeared just when it's getting good.

Pablo, Antony, u-dog, sailaway, others, where are you when we need you?
I antonyh have transfigured into the mighty Dumbledore! I can't speak for the others Maybe all the Calvinist rantings scared away the dwarfs.
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