Maine takes away equality rights

[Rick336]

Maine takes away equality rights.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091104/...marriage_maine



"With liberty and justice for all."

Bullshit!




Rick

[Emproph]

From Good As You:

They lied. They dehumanized. They used personal faith to address civil law. They sought out any and every opportunity to confuse the issue. They went after anyone who got in their paths, with zero to less-than-zero regard for the well-being of LGBT families or their allies. And tonight, they have robbed an entire population of people of their equal citizenship, peaceful minds, and essences of humanity.

For shame, Stand For Marriage Maine. You have won nothing. You have hurt countless many. And your inevitable, everlasting trophy will be your prominent casting within the annals of unfortunate civil rights history.

[keltic63]

so, do we boycott Maine and their products? do we go for another 'Day without a Gay" ??? what do we do about this religious persecution, and let's be frank, that is exactly what happened.

I've been moving away from calling myself a christian for quite some time. I left the christian church behind nearly a year ago. This particular event, the imposing of a certain segment of christians' beliefs onto the civil govt in Maine has sealed the deal for me. I will not be aligned with christians. I am NOT a christian.

I'm also struck by the reality of our lgbt friends in Maine. They wake up this morning knowing that slightly more than half of the people they will have contact with today think that they don't deserve to marry or have their unions respected and honored by the civil govt. that's tough. my heart is breaking.

[scott snedeker]

The election won 53% to 47%. This is a barometer of the attitude of the majority of people in Maine. The good news is within an error of 3% half of people have an evolved sensibilty that recognizes that capacity for same-gender intimacy is a trait with equal entitlement to expression.

Compare it to climbing a mountain. Just because you made it 95% to the summit doesn't mean that you have lost. Improve the trail, get better supplies and equipment and get in better shape. When you are ready, start again.

We are steadily winning. These popular votes are showing that we are very close to having the majority of the population sypmathetic with us.

Our government is flawed because flawed humans run it and allow principles to be ignored or violated. What has to evolve are people's awareness toward violence to minorities.

Counter hate and lies with compassion and honesty. Everyone has the capacity for both. Don't counter violence with opposition or violence. That just reinforces the violence, fear and predjudice within the oppressor.

Cultivate inner compassion and practice genuine expression of this. This is what touches other people's hearts and changes them from fear and predjudice seeking gratification to compassion and offers of kindness.

nat equality march.jpg


From the National Equality March

How Beautiful!

[Daniel]

Reportage this morning notes that Portland was against repealing the law, but was outvoted by citizens upstate. And guess who campaigned - even passing the offering plate- against gay marriage?

The Catholic church.

My late Uncle lived in Hew Hampshire, just a stone's throw away from Maine, and in conversations with him, the big issue was the word marriage. Not the rights, but the word. He just couldn't get over it, though he wanted my guy and I to have equal rights. My sense is that many highly educated older straight people are stuck in this same place. A generational thing?

To be blunt, is the matter of gay marriage about patiently waiting for the growing number of young people to mature to voting age?

What do we do in the meanwhile?

Fight like crazy!

[scott snedeker]

Originally Posted by Daniel

Reportage this morning notes that Portland was against repealing the law, but was outvoted by citizens upstate. And guess who campaigned - even passing the offering plate- against gay marriage?

The Catholic church.

My late Uncle lived in Hew Hampshire, just a stone's throw away from Maine, and in conversations with him, the big issue was the word marriage. Not the rights, but the word. He just couldn't get over it, though he wanted my guy and I to have equal rights. My sense is that many highly educated older straight people are stuck in this same place. A generational thing?

To be blunt, is the matter of gay marriage about patiently waiting for the growing number of young people to mature to voting age?

What do we do in the meanwhile?

Fight like crazy!

I think it is very much a generational thing Time is not on the conservatives side and the Catholic Church will either lose the young vigorus and longer-lived folk and fade or Change If we keep up!

[Rick336]

Originally Posted by scott snedeker

The election won 53% to 47%. This is a barometer of the attitude of the majority of people in Maine. The good news is within an error of 3% half of people have an evolved sensibilty that recognizes that capacity for same-gender intimacy is a trait with equal entitlement to expression.

Compare it to climbing a mountain. Just because you made it 95% to the summit doesn't mean that you have lost. Improve the trail, get better supplies and equipment and get in better shape. When you are ready, start again.

We are steadily winning. These popular votes are showing that we are very close to having the majority of the population sypmathetic with us.

Our government is flawed because flawed humans run it and allow principles to be ignored or violated. What has to evolve are people's awareness toward violence to minorities.

Counter hate and lies with compassion and honesty. Everyone has the capacity for both. Don't counter violence with opposition or violence. That just reinforces the violence, fear and predjudice within the oppressor.

Cultivate inner compassion and practice genuine expression of this. This is what touches other people's hearts and changes them from fear and predjudice seeking gratification to compassion and offers of kindness.

Scott,

Your optimistic and rational approach makes good sense. I agree that this is the best way to react to this defeat.

Last night, however, when I read the bad news my immediate reaction was anger. I was furious. I wanted to lash out at the opposition. This morning your words have calmed me down and have gotten me thinking more clearly.

Thank you.

Rick

[keltic63]

Originally Posted by Rick336

Scott,

Your optimistic and rational approach makes good sense. I agree that this is the best way to react to this defeat.

Last night, however, when I read the bad news my immediate reaction was anger. I was furious. I wanted to lash out at the opposition. This morning your words have calmed me down and have gotten me thinking more clearly.

Thank you.

Rick

I'm still working on the calming down and thinking clearly part, but I agree, Scotty's words have been a big help.