Calvinist belief in OT Holy Codes

[keltic63]

Originally Posted by Legion

Though I don't know about keltic63's humanity stuff. I would think it would be better to err on the side of the law, due to the fact that humanity is corrupt and wicked and incapable of independently acting rightly.

Jesus prevented the "lawful" execution of a woman caught in adultery. She was about to be stoned, as she should have been according to the law. Instead, he allowed the law to be broken! Jesus broke the law in order to save the woman, in both the physical (literal) sense, as well as in the spiritual sense. He "erred on the side of humanity." He acted "humanely" or with compassion.

[Legion]

Originally Posted by Joe Brummer

Well Legion, I agree with both of these meanings depending on what philosophy you are coming from. I am not a christian, I am more of an agnostic than anything. I do believe we choose god. One day, for whatever the reason, people make a choice to believe or not believe or like me...I just don't know.

on the other hand, some of what has always turned me from the biblical version of god is just what you speak of here in this post. Yes, god whas very active in people's lives. Parting the seas, speaking to people, sending angels, commanding people to build an ark, or free his people. Jesus was very similar, raising the dead, feeding the masses, etc....

Where are these mass, huge miracles now. Did god get tired and decide he would only do small stuff? Soret od like and actor who doesn't wanna do the big screen anymore. Now, if you say god told you to do something you either need medication or your are on Channel Six with your wife asking for prayer request at $100 a pop.

Was has god stopped the big, grand scale miracles?

"But He answered and said to them, 'An evil and adulterous generation asks for a sign. But no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.'" -Matthew 12:39

[Legion]

Originally Posted by keltic63

Jesus prevented the "lawful" execution of a woman caught in adultery. She was about to be stoned, as she should have been according to the law. Instead, he allowed the law to be broken! Jesus broke the law in order to save the woman, in both the physical (literal) sense, as well as in the spiritual sense. He "erred on the side of humanity." He acted "humanely" or with compassion.

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." Matthew 5:17,18

[Jamie McDaniel]

Originally Posted by Legion

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." Matthew 5:17,18

Legion, considering you chose the as your icon for one of your previous posts, I'm guessing you feel the verse you typed is a rebuttal to keltic63's post. However, that's not the case. It supports it -- and very powerfully I should say.

The radical Christ, the one who continually scandalized his Jewish brothers who were zealous for scripture, was fulfilling the law and the prophets by disregarding the law for the sake of love.

We sometimes forget that Jesus was operating under the constant criticism of the Pharisees, scribes, and most of the religious leadership of his day. Their number one charge was that Jesus did not believe the Bible (I phrase it as such so it will register with today's Conservative christian rhethoric. Back then they would have worded it like, "This Jesus, a mere carpenter from Nazareth, obviously doesn't have a high view of the law of Moses like we do." They would (and did) work hard to falsely portray him as having a massive disregard for scripture.

So Jesus shot back with the verse you quoted (much more so later in Matthew chapter 23.) Never apologizing for his radical ways, Jesus proclaimed that his ministry, his eating with the "sinners", his touching of those it was not lawful for him to touch, his healing on the Sabbath, his inclusion of women and Gentiles, his opposing the death penalty though it was biblical, all of these things, were the fulfillment of the law and the prophets.

Then Jesus charged the people (and us) with doing the same. Love the Lord your God with all your heart, love your neighbor, and love yourself, he said. Do that, and you too will have done what God requires of you.

[Jamie McDaniel]

You know, I'm going to start placing an accompanying thought whenever I make reference to the greatest commandment. That passage really speaks to those of us who are liberal Christians and we are very fond of quoting it. There is nothing particularly difficult about our reciting the greatest commandment (and the one that was forever paired with it, "love your neighbor." These two are now one and what God has joined...)

But I think the greatest commandment also happens to be the greatest challenge -- for all of us in this life.

[Legion]

Hey Jamie Son of Daniel:
No. Christ did not "err on the side of humanity". He acted with mercy, yes. But compassion is not a exclusively human characteristic. Which was my point.

[keltic63]

Originally Posted by Legion

Hey Jamie Son of Daniel:
No. Christ did not "err on the side of humanity". He acted with mercy, yes. But compassion is not a exclusively human characteristic. Which was my point.

Now I'm getting angry. You can't even keep the conversation correct when it's right in front of you; you're too busy trying to be sarcastic and condescending. Jamie is not the one who used the phrase "err on the side of humanity" I DID. If this is your behavior in real life, you are giving christians a bad name.

So is your point to engage in civil discussion, Legion? or are you here to stir up trouble and post your self-assured views that whatever you say is correct?

[Legion]

I was specifying to McDaniel which part of your post I disagreed with.