We Won!!!!!!!!!!

[Giancarlo]

The democratic party needs to be careful and not try to take revenge. This will damage the support they received this election. I also know that the "majority" they have in the Senate is only marginal. The democrats in my mind are just as bad as the republicans and I have consistently REFUSED to support either party. I cannot support a party that would swiftly stab me in the back if it was politically convenient for them. Going after anyone and impeaching them is just not appropriate at this time nor is it mature. I do not like Bush, but this is not the way to do things. And I side with Nancy Pelosi on that one.

The only person who has some sense in this country is the governor, we Californians overwhelmingly re-elected.

[tdogg]

Zerbie, I want to congratulate you on a job most excellently done. You put a lot of blood sweat and tears into that campaign and it has paid off. I do feel optimistic and feel this is a sort of beginning for all of us. I want to give you my heartfelt thanks and gratitude - the work and emotion you have put into this is not only affecting those in Arizona, but all of us around the country. Thanks for everything you have done and are doing. You make me proud to call you friend.

I'm not a huge fan of politicians - of any party. I'm a registered non-partisan; however, as a lesbian woman, feel justice, equality and freedom are better met by a democratic majority than republican. I'm not a fan of the most recent republican regime, either in Washington DC or CA. Having been personally attacked by the California governor (as a state worker, Arnold has made repeated attemps to not only take away benefits that I have worked very hard for in my long-time state career, but also F-up my pension, steal pension funds and generally make a mess out of state employment - thank goodness for CSEA as weak as it is, and that FINALLY this year state employees banded together and voted with a vast majority willing to strike if he continued his attack!!). I work hard for CA citizens who pay my salary, I give well more than 100% at the workplace, my job literally helps to save Californians more money than they could even imagine in fraud fighting efforts. To have my benefits and pension threatened by someone who should have respect and pride in the work I do for 'his' state is unthinkable.

Maybe the props were not passed, but it appears the fine citizens of our state don't mind putting us in HUGE debt by passing billions and billions of dollars in propositions that are poorly written at best, and most likely will not begin to serve their intended purpose - they rarely ever do.

All that said, I still love my state and feel the LGBT community could have it much worse here than it actually is. Meanwhile, persistence and patience will lead to much progress. And I hadn't heard until now, but SO GLAD that SD abortion crap did not fly. YEAH!

Tdogg

[Giancarlo]

Originally Posted by tdogg

Having been personally attacked by the California governor (as a state worker, Arnold has made repeated attemps to not only take away benefits that I have worked very hard for in my long-time state career, but also F-up my pension, steal pension funds and generally make a mess out of state employment - thank goodness for CSEA as weak as it is, and that FINALLY this year state employees banded together and voted with a vast majority willing to strike if he continued his attack!!). I work hard for CA citizens who pay my salary, I give well more than 100% at the workplace, my job literally helps to save Californians more money than they could even imagine in fraud fighting efforts. To have my benefits and pension threatened by someone who should have respect and pride in the work I do for 'his' state is unthinkable.

Arnold has admitted he has made mistakes, but he generally is taking this state in the correct direction. THIS IS PRODUCING RESULTS, including, economic growth.

As far as the LGBT community is concerned, Arnold has signed an equity tax law that has provided equal benefits for gay and lesbian couples, and has also signed an equal insurance law (and some other LGBT positive bills if I remember). I agree with the way things are being handled by Arnold, and I feel he has taken the state on, generally, the correct direction. I do not agree with everything he has done, but in general, he has done a better job then the democrat before him. And finally, I would not support someone who is anti-gay.

I campaigned for him at my campus, and I AM DAMN PROUD AT THE JOB I HAVE DONE. And as a libertarian, I am for an effective, government and governor. I view Arnold as pragmatic and practical, which is something Angelides never was.

Again, I may seem like I'm taking this personally, but I'm not. I'm just a little distraught that someone would launch unfair attacks on him like that. Maybe next time the democrats could produce someone a bit better then Angelides. Maybe someone who has some integrity and some decency, and isn't so mind numbingly corrupt.

Maybe the props were not passed, but it appears the fine citizens of our state don't mind putting us in HUGE debt by passing billions and billions of dollars in propositions that are poorly written at best, and most likely will not begin to serve their intended purpose - they rarely ever do.

This is why Props 85-90 did not pass (because they were poorly written). Nonetheless, I think Props 1A-1E were necessary to repair infrastructure. Like it or not, I don't think you know enough about 1A-1E. These propositions were in fact necessary, and I would say required, to repair crumbling infrastructure. They would pay themselves off with increased revenues from increased economic growth.

I'm glad Arnold got re-elected, and I will continue to support him in any future political career he makes (maybe he'll make a run for Senate).

[tdogg]

So Giancarlo if someone disagrees with you, they just don't know enough? That's how your posts come across to me. Perhaps not your intent, but my perception and my perception is my reality. Anyway, I didn't attack Arnold, however he has attacked me as a state employee. If you don't understand that, then perhaps you aren't that well informed regarding his moves to take away pay, benefits and pensions of hard working state employees. I now enough about the props to know that we are about to go BILLIONS in debt and I have no confidence that anything real will get done. If past practices continue, it will be barren at best. However, the majority of Californians agreed with you so they have spoken. Only provided my opinions which is no less valid than yours is to you.

Giancarlo, You should be proud of the work you put into this, I'm sure you put a lot into it. Hopefully you haven't taken my opinion as a personal attack on your elected gov or on you, it's just my thoughts, opinion and experience. I agree that Arnold has changed a bit this year on a lot of stances. But I don't think he's altogether TOO friendly to LGBTs; however, like I said in my earlier post it could be a LOT worse in this state. I think we have it better than most, not perfect, but better. Baby steps I guess. The tax thing was great, but he has vetoed several bills that would have benefited us much. Let's see what he does in the next 4 years. Hopefully he won't change back to where he was last year. Time will tell.

[Giancarlo]

Originally Posted by tdogg

So Giancarlo if someone disagrees with you, they just don't know enough? That's how your posts come across to me. Perhaps not your intent, but my perception and my perception is my reality. Anyway, I didn't attack Arnold, however he has attacked me as a state employee. If you don't understand that, then perhaps you aren't that well informed regarding his moves to take away pay, benefits and pensions of hard working state employees. I now enough about the props to know that we are about to go BILLIONS in debt and I have no confidence that anything real will get done. If past practices continue, it will be barren at best. However, the majority of Californians agreed with you so they have spoken. Only provided my opinions which is no less valid than yours is to you.

Very well. I guess I came off as harsh. I spent countless hours promoting Arnold, and passing out flyers to re-elect him because HE HAS DONE GOOD FOR THIS STATE, and he has done far more then his predecessor when it comes to the LGBT community. He didn't attack you as a state employee. He attacked the bureaucracy as it is squeezing this state. Too much is being stacked in debt because of the bloated state bureaucracy. Yes, I am attacking the bureaucracy because like Arnold, I'm a bit of a libertarian.

I know plenty about the props to know that Props 1A-1E will be beneficial and will pay themselves off.

Giancarlo, You should be proud of the work you put into this, I'm sure you put a lot into it. Hopefully you haven't taken my opinion as a personal attack on your elected gov or on you, it's just my thoughts, opinion and experience. I agree that Arnold has changed a bit this year on a lot of stances. But I don't think he's altogether TOO friendly to LGBTs; however, like I said in my earlier post it could be a LOT worse in this state. I think we have it better than most, not perfect, but better. Baby steps I guess. The tax thing was great, but he has vetoed several bills that would have benefited us much. Let's see what he does in the next 4 years. Hopefully he won't change back to where he was last year. Time will tell.

I never took it as a personal attack as I highlighted with the bold statements. Arnold has done a lot, and he has done a lot for the LGBT community (he may have vetoed one, but he has done again more then the democratic party has done for this state). No one is perfect, but we certainly are doing quite fine here. I am proud to see that he has endorsed quite a few LGBT bills. He could not endorse every one because he needed the support of his base. He has passed more bills however, then he has vetoed.

[BruceChris]

Originally Posted by revtj

OK, Madame Speaker said she's not going after revenge. That's good.

Common sense MORE than covers it.

And Giancarlo, I have to see Ahhnold as all to much a self-serving, and occasionally backstabbing politicain who is mainly interested in polishing his own image.

P&L, BC

[Beth K. Eyres]

Since Zerbie last posted on the win in AZ, the votes are still being counted. On election day 107 failed by about 30,000 votes. Now there are about 51,000 votes against it. It's very cool to see the margin continue to grow, rather than shrink.

[rainbowdog]

I am glad one state has some sense. Down here in Alabama it is not looking too good! We will probably be the last state to have GBLT rights. Alabama is so backwards it is not even funny. Just pray for us GBLT folks in AL.


Peace,
Christy

[Zerbie]

Thanks Christie!

You may be right about Alabama.

The victory here in AZ is bittersweet - what swayed many voters (and we don't know HOW many of them, but presumably a lot) was the fact that they were made aware of how the amendment affects unmarried straight couples. That was a decisive factor for many, who otherwise wouldn't have cared about its impact on gay couples.

Nevertheless, it was a cruel amendment with sweeping repercussions within and without the gay community - no one should have health insurance taken away by popular vote - and we prevented that. So I'm incredibly glad and relieved.