How we "win".

[dsdrane]

...or one helluva a good Talking Point we must all memorize.

Dash and I were discussing the following quote from u-dog on the now-closed thread "Honesty." (I quote this -- with some redaction for clarity on this particular thread -- without u-dog's permission, so...you know, I feel guilty 'n' stuff....)

When Jesus interprets the Sabbath laws and the Ten commandments, doesn't he ALWAYS do it from the perspective of hungry people, handicapped people, despised people? The pharisees HATE the way Jesus interprets scripture. They call him a sinner and they begin very quickly to plot his murder.

When you think about it... Doesn't Jesus approach EVERYTHING from the perspective of the hungry, the poor, the disgusting low life scum of the world? Think about it !! Jesus was born in a barn. Jesus touched lepers (the faggots of the first century) Jesus ate with tax collectors and prostitutes, Jesus touched unclean people. The Pharisees HATED JESUS FOR THAT! They KILLED Jesus for that.

Jesus bore witness in EVERYTHING HE DID that PEOPLE ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE LAW... and the Pharisees had him killed for it.

Why do so many people in the fundamentalist movement seem to gravitate more to the Gospel according the Pharisees than they do to the Gospel of Jesus Christ? Why do fundamentalists pay LIP SERVICE to the "name of Jesus" but give their true allegiance and service to the legalistic anti-gospel of the pharisees?

THIS IS WHY THIS "ISSUE" is so important. Its about MORE than just the rights of GLBT people. THE GOSPEL ITSELF is at stake here.


To my mind, it doesn't get much better than this. u-dog nails it...nails it! And my thinking is: why "waste" this on "just another thread" when it can be used against the whole damn machine!?

Since my introduction to SF -- and other online groups -- I've been amazed at how many LGBT folks, as well as straight allies, are out there who have had, to one degree or another, issues with religion and spirituality in the past, who are now seeking to reconcile these issues and "come back"...or maybe even approach religion for the first time.

And, what if, instead of being the tow-headed step-child of our respective denominations/religions/etc., we're the ones who actually live the gospels the way they were supposed to be lived? What if all the Bible-thumping, life-crushing, soul-trashing theogogues out there are actually modern-day Pharisees who Christ would immediately scorn?

Please forgive my naivete if this is some old chestnut that I yet again bring up as if it were an original thought, but doesn't it make sense to fight fire with fire?

They say we're sinners, and we say "you're right, but you're worse; you're Pharisees! Christ would reject you all!"

Someone get Madison Avenue on the horn...!

[scott snedeker]

Originally Posted by dsdrane

...or one helluva a good Talking Point we must all memorize.

Dash and I were discussing the following quote from u-dog on the now-closed thread "Honesty." (I quote this -- with some redaction for clarity on this particular thread -- without u-dog's permission, so...you know, I feel guilty 'n' stuff....)

When Jesus interprets the Sabbath laws and the Ten commandments, doesn't he ALWAYS do it from the perspective of hungry people, handicapped people, despised people? The pharisees HATE the way Jesus interprets scripture. They call him a sinner and they begin very quickly to plot his murder.

When you think about it... Doesn't Jesus approach EVERYTHING from the perspective of the hungry, the poor, the disgusting low life scum of the world? Think about it !! Jesus was born in a barn. Jesus touched lepers (the faggots of the first century) Jesus ate with tax collectors and prostitutes, Jesus touched unclean people. The Pharisees HATED JESUS FOR THAT! They KILLED Jesus for that.

Jesus bore witness in EVERYTHING HE DID that PEOPLE ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE LAW... and the Pharisees had him killed for it.

Why do so many people in the fundamentalist movement seem to gravitate more to the Gospel according the Pharisees than they do to the Gospel of Jesus Christ? Why do fundamentalists pay LIP SERVICE to the "name of Jesus" but give their true allegiance and service to the legalistic anti-gospel of the pharisees?

THIS IS WHY THIS "ISSUE" is so important. Its about MORE than just the rights of GLBT people. THE GOSPEL ITSELF is at stake here.


To my mind, it doesn't get much better than this. u-dog nails it...nails it! And my thinking is: why "waste" this on "just another thread" when it can be used against the whole damn machine!?

Since my introduction to SF -- and other online groups -- I've been amazed at how many LGBT folks, as well as straight allies, are out there who have had, to one degree or another, issues with religion and spirituality in the past, who are now seeking to reconcile these issues and "come back"...or maybe even approach religion for the first time.

And, what if, instead of being the tow-headed step-child of our respective denominations/religions/etc., we're the ones who actually live the gospels the way they were supposed to be lived? What if all the Bible-thumping, life-crushing, soul-trashing theogogues out there are actually modern-day Pharisees who Christ would immediately scorn?

Please forgive my naivete if this is some old chestnut that I yet again bring up as if it were an original thought, but doesn't it make sense to fight fire with fire?

They say we're sinners, and we say "you're right, but you're worse; you're Pharisees! Christ would reject you all!"

Someone get Madison Avenue on the horn...!

YEAH! I LOVE IT!

BRING IT ON!

SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE BECOMING A RADICAL FAERIE!

[keltic63]

this reminds me of some sermons by beloved pastor preached several months ago. I have kept the phrase in my head since then: err on the side of love! I remember that she (my pastor) said that Jesus always held the person higher than the law, and that if the law injured the person, then it was necessary to break the law and heal the person. We see this concept then in nearly all of Jesus' interactions with "those" people, whomever was considered OTHER in that society.