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For my 1000th post, I wanted to just reiterate something I think is important.
Below is a Morning Chapel sermon I gave while at Cambridge University in late 2003. Discussion in other threads, about gender issues related to God and the use of pronouns, prompted me to revisit this, mostly because this opened up a really vitreolic and, at the same time, heart-warming conversation between me and the British traditionalists with which I was studying and from whom I was learning. The discussions ranged from the audacity of using non-canonical readings for chapel to the wrong-headedness of perceiving God as anything but male, but ended up after several months opening up lines of communication between us that I will forever remember. The most supportive discussions came from three older male ministers who were spending their sabbaticals at the college. One of them, a life-long bachelor, teared up as he thanked me for what I said. If this gives something in return to the community that adopted me almost a year ago, I am happy. If not - well, get over it - it's my 1000th post and I'll spend it as I see fit. ![]() Quote:
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That... that was very touching. Thank you for posting it; it was everything I think believers should be - uplifting, edifying, gently correcting/redirecting/guiding. I might not be so terribly afraid of going back to church if there were more things like this being expressed.
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I know that much of the time, I don't pay close attention to how I use gender pronouns when discussing or referring to God, but it has almost always been of the male gender that I "assign" God. Good Catholic upbringing, I assume. Your words help me to see that almost as a type of arrogance, yet a teaching moment for me. To realize that I do not have to have God fit into the image that I want for God, so that I can better visualize that presence in my life.
Just one more step in my growth these days, and I thank you for that. I am really glad that you are here with us.
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Damn, you're good. And I mean really good.
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Please forgive the naivete of a lay person, but I cannot help taking this idea of gender one step further...from the Father to the Son.
Jesus -- the Word made flesh -- was, we know, a Jewish boy. His human-ness was indeed male. But what of his godliness? Did/does his godliness transcend sex and gender, as well? For me, I have no problem seeing God as male and female...and something indescribable beyond that perhaps. The "problem" I have is with a "male" Christ. Anyone? And thank you, Andy! And Happy 1,000!
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Thanks for your sermon, it was indeed touching and useful. Very thought provoking as well!
![]() It's a struggle to get past all the aspects we've been taught from way back. Personally, I see God as being all things - male, female, non-gender, all-gender. Can't really imagine it, but if we are all created in God's image, wouldn't that encompass anything and everything we might be (we as a complete historical population from beginning to present and beyond)? Wouldn't that include everything, from humans, to animals to inanimate natural items? When I'm in the mountains, I can see God as being part mountain. When I'm watching the ocean, same there too. God is part wave, crashing up on the cliffs. Part sun, part birds, part salt spray, part me and part you. Andy, thanks for your awesome 1,000th post. Keep 'em coming! You should definitely be pastoring a congregation somewhere...no thoughts of moving to CA??? I know the MCC here in Sac was searching for a pastor, not sure what the status on that is at this time tho. I don't regularly attend (but I certainly would if you were there!).
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1000 posts, a milestone indeed.
Yes, we adopted you here on the forums a year ago, Andy. (Actually I think it was mainly out of pity, but we still did it. )Awesome post! You are sounding like a Catholic here. (That's a good thing, by the way.) One main difference I see between Catholic and Protestant theology is the Catholic emphasis God working in the world. We Catholics emphasize that WE are the face of God that people see in the world. When God's love is shown to others, it is shown through us. One of my favorite Catholic hymns is "Voice of Christ" The refrain says, "We the hands, we the eyes, we the voice of Christ. O faithful God, we entrust our treasure to your heart." And when I look at God's work being accomplished in the world I see women working harder at it than men. (So I guess God is female after all!) And 1000 posts is still too few, keep posting, my friend. Tu Amigo, Pablo
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Andy,
Wowza. I really like your sermon. Good choice for post number 1000. Thank you for sharing it. |
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