Protest in Tibet

[刘卓邕]

...Reports from international press have revealed that the Chinese in Tibet treat Tibetans with distain and the two groups do not associate with each other

If you visit Tibet,Yunnan,Sichuang and Qinghai,you can see Tibetans are very identical with Mongolians,Manchurians...and with "Han"s.

"Han"s are hybrids of peoples that have existed in China,indeed!


Five shop girls were burnt to death in the Lhasa "riot",but by Hu Jintao I think.

[Daniel]

Originally Posted by ???

If you visit Tibet,Yunnan,Sichuang and Qinghai,you can see Tibetans are identical with Mongolians,Manchurians...and with "Han"s.


And what is this statment supposed to prove, that discrimination, because ethnicity's are related, is Ok? You sir, are barking up the wrong tree!

"Han"s are hybrids of peoples that have existed in China,indeed!

The distinctions you are drawing do no in any way deal with the actual issues at hand- and I hardly understand your purpose for posting here sir.


Five shop girls were burnt to death in the Lhasa "riot",but by Hu Jintao I think.

I am very sorry to hear of these deaths. And I am very sorry that the Chinese people have oppressed the Tibetan people for more than 30 years. This is a fact that is not defensible.

[刘卓邕]

And what is this statment supposed to prove, that discrimination, because ethnicity's are related, is Ok? ...

I meant that there is no such an estrangement or discrimination between Tibetans and other people in China, as you imagine.

[Daniel]

Originally Posted by ???

I meant that there is no such an estrangement or discrimination between Tibetans and other people in China, as you imagine.

I am not imagining: I can read. And I have been reading and keeping up with this issue for a very long time. You sir- seem to have an agenda which is not in keeping with this forum. One which I do not appreciate. You sir- seem to be interested in propaganda.

Let's take this three simple facts if you please: if the Tibetan's and the Chinese people get along so well, why did the Dalai Lama have to flee his own country 30 some years ago and had never been allowed to return? Way are those who possess pictures of the man thrown in jail? Why have the Chinese people installed a Panchen Lama of their own, one which the Tibtetans will not accept?

To those who have eyes and ears- it seems that the Chinese people are intent on hijacking the internal workings of the Buddhist faith at it's very scource. That sir- is an aggressive stance which is not in keeping with the aims of this forum.

Are these sir, the actions of a people which get along very well with each other?

No! They are not!

You sir- are either grossly misinformed or have an agenda which is propagandistic. If the latter is the case, your presence on this forum is not welcome.

[刘卓邕]

Originally Posted by Daniel

if the Tibetan's and the Chinese people get along so well, why did the Dalai Lama have to flee his own country 30 some years ago and had never been allowed to return? Way are those who possess pictures of the man thrown in jail? Why have the Chinese people installed a Panchen Lama of their own, one which the Tibtetans will not accept? ...

Although the the Chinese people dont't agree with you either of course,you mix up the CCP and the Chinese people.George W. Bush is USA?

[Daniel]

Originally Posted by ???

Although the the Chinese people dont't agree with you either of course,you mix up the CCP and the Chinese people.George W. Bush is USA?

I'm not the one who is mixed up.

George Bush is no more the USA than you are the Emperor of China.

I will not be reading any more of your posts seeing that I take your presence on this forum as propaganda.

As far as I can see, you are here for reasons which are unexplained and have NOTHING to do with the message and aims of Soulforce.

So - I wish you all the best in you journey in life. And hope that you find the peace which you deny the Tibetan people. They, at least, understand the meaning of compassion. While you- sir- seem to only understand the need for power.

[Gregory_de_Bois]

Just wanted to say that I went to a Tibet/Darfur rally on Sunday. It was lovely to hear the various speakers from both countries.

[刘卓邕]

Originally Posted by Gregory_de_Bois

It was lovely to hear the various speakers ...

The CCP's China is not the peoples's.
Hu Jintao is the enemy of the nation.


Dalai Lama: Tibet Wants Autonomy, Not Independence

[Daniel]

You know the gig is up when artists and such start getting arrested. And for what? Simply being a person of note a Tibetan.

Sounds like paranioa to me...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/18/wo...hp&oref=slogin

By ANDREW JACOBS
Published: April 18, 2008
BEIJING — The Chinese authorities have detained a high-profile Tibetan television reporter who is also a popular singer, suggesting that the government crackdown following the disturbances in and around Tibet has yet to run its course.

I don't think the 'crackdown' has even reached it's peak yet.

[Gregory_de_Bois]

Originally Posted by 刘卓邕

The CCP's China is not the peoples's.
Hu Jintao is the enemy of the nation.


Dalai Lama: Tibet Wants Autonomy, Not Independence

Pardon, but what are you trying to say? If you oppose the Olympics, why are you arguing against us here? We are trying to be advocates for the Tibetan people, and you, well I don't know what you are trying to say.

[Daniel]

Originally Posted by Gregory_de_Bois

Pardon, but what are you trying to say? If you oppose the Olympics, why are you arguing against us here? We are trying to be advocates for the Tibetan people, and you, well I don't know what you are trying to say.

I can't figure it out either. The person posting gives me the impression that we are dealing with someone who is seeking political power within China- and his reasons for boycotting the Olympics has NOTHING to do with human rights and the Tibetan people.

As such, his presence here is adversarial. And NOT appreciated. Though may God bless his soul.

[Gregory_de_Bois]

Originally Posted by Daniel

I can't figure it out either. The person posting gives me the impression that we are dealing with someone who is seeking political power within China- and his reasons for boycotting the Olympics has NOTHING to do with human rights and the Tibetan people.

As such, his presence here is adversarial. And NOT appreciated. Though may God bless his soul.

That makes sense. Well, I wish him Godspeed, and may the Lord show him that all humans deserve to be treated with respect and dignity.

[Daniel]

There is so much happening with regards to news, China and Tibet, that is has been difficult keeping up with the latest developments.

Here is a great resource at the NYTYimes:

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/i...q=tibet&st=nyt

Recently 30 Tibetans were sentenced to prison, some for life, because of protests and riots in the past few weeks. In addition, it seems as though the Chinese goverment is doing all it can to quell anti-Olympic sentiment in whatever way they can, even if it means draconian measures. Saying they want to meet with the DL- one wonders if this is actual 'talk' or 'spin'.

No one really knows how many Tibetans have been detained since protesting started, but sources estimate that over 4000 people are being held.

[Vanessa White]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/may/02/tibet.china

I heard a blurb on NPR yesterday, that the Chinese government released a statement that one Tibetan demonstrator had been killed amidst the uprising. If there are indeed, 4000 Tibetans/demonstrators being held, Daniel, where do they hold them there? Do they have prisons or are they interred somehow?

I hope that the envoy talks help, but it seems orchestrated due the the Olympics, as seems to be the sentiment all around.....

[Daniel]

Originally Posted by Vanessa White

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/may/02/tibet.china

I heard a blurb on NPR yesterday, that the Chinese government released a statement that one Tibetan demonstrator had been killed amidst the uprising. If there are indeed, 4000 Tibetans/demonstrators being held, Daniel, where do they hold them there? Do they have prisons or are they interred somehow?

I hope that the envoy talks help, but it seems orchestrated due the the Olympics, as seems to be the sentiment all around.....

I wish I knew the answer to your question, but it seems to be hard to obtain news from the area. And while the Chinese say they want 'talks', they continue to insist that the DL is behind these protests and demonstrations. This assertion, if anything, reveal an ignorance of Buddhism and nonviolence, as well as what is know as projection: my view is that the Chinese are aggessive in their stance, and, in fact, are orchestrating the demise of the Tibetan people.

[Vanessa White]

I really believe that as well. They release bits and pieces of news to try to appear "balanced", but it is far from it, in my opinion as well. I also find it so interesting about how the news of China wanting talks with Tibetans focusing in many realms, on their desire to speak with DL; he has been very clear that he is in favor of the Olympics going forward, and that he is not orchestrating all of what is going on.

It is frightening to me what propaganda can do to a people, a nation. So many people have full belief of what China is saying and doing.

[Vanessa White]

You can read about it here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/04/wo...a/04tibet.html