Other Polls...?

[Jennifer5]

What's going on with the rest of the polls, prop 8 etc.

Does anyone know?

[tdogg]

Prop 8 - we are down by 8% with nearly 1/5 of voting counted. I can't believe a majority of people living in California would even think of voting yes. But I guess it's sadly true. Maybe the votes counted are from conservative areas and our % will improve?

As far as 102 in AZ, I haven't heard. Hoping Zerbie will give us an update.

I was ecstatic when I got my wife's text that Obama actually won!! Maybe our change will come from the white house instead of golden state voters.

[Jennifer5]

Originally Posted by tdogg

Prop 8 - we are down by 8% with nearly 1/5 of voting counted. I can't believe a majority of people living in California would even think of voting yes. But I guess it's sadly true. Maybe the votes counted are from conservative areas and our % will improve?

As far as 102 in AZ, I haven't heard. Hoping Zerbie will give us an update.

I was ecstatic when I got my wife's text that Obama actually won!! Maybe our change will come from the white house instead of golden state voters.

1/5... 8%, that could change, and I really hope it will!!!!



Everyone, please let us know when you find out more!

[andrewlittle]

While for me it is no surprise that Arkansas joined the list of states protecting heterosexuals "right" to be the only people able to destroy a marriage, I am sadly disappointed with Arizona and Florida. Even that disappointment pales next the sheer animosity I feel towards my bigoted cousins in California. I am wrestling my own demons right now - is it bad to pray that the bulk of the southern part of the state does indeed fall off into the ocean?

I suppose the next step is to "recall" all the LGBT votes, as well as those of the people who supported them.

After all, it seems plausible that, since LGBT are not "men" (archaic constitutional language for human) created equally, their vote may need to be reduced to 3/5 of a heterosexual citizen. They may also need to be given special literacy tests biased towards a heterosexist worldview so they can even qualify to vote in the firstplace. Since, of course, what happens in California predicts what will happen elsewhere, this should extend to all states retroactively.

As for those people who voted for LGBT right, we really may need to take a look at their credentials as citizens as well. It is apparent, since real "men" vote only out of pure paranoid self-interest, that this group of people can be suspected of being closeted, less-than-"men" ho-mo-sex-u-als. We cannot have a witchhunt of these proportions, however - it would be unseemly. So, lets come to a compromise - those who pass the special paranoia voting right test can have 4/5 of a vote.

Now, since this presidential election was won on the backs of so many less-than-"men" votes, a recount using these new and rightly calculated votes show that McCain won in enough states to allow George Bush and his minions to continue governing for another 4 years.

I think that this overwhelming majority in the "popular" vote of real "men" shows that this country does really want to go back to the values of the Neanderthals, so from now on all marriages will be consecrated with use of a big club and female climaxes will no longer be legal. Oh, dear, that itself may bring up the issue of vetting women voters.

[Daniel]

As of this morning, with 90 percent of the vote counted, it looks like prop 8 is going to pass by a 3 point margin. If so, it will be a huge loss for gay rights. That said, I bet we will see this measure on the ballot in two/four years. It's not the end of the story.

One thing troubles me about this vote. And that is the commentary I was hearing last night, and that is irony of Obama's being able to rally black voters and get them to the polls. Why the irony? Because their turn-out in large numbers helped him get elected, but they may have contributed to the passage of prop 8. Why? Because blacks church going voters are by-and-large opposed to gay rights.

Of course, Obama is not to blame. That is not what I am saying. However, it would help matters if he was in favor of equal rights for gay people. He was against prop 8 but also does not support gay marriage.

I want to tell him: you can't have it both ways!


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http://www.latimes.com/news/local/po...3859.htmlstory

click on 'available races' to find the most recent vote tally

[tdogg]

You are probably right Daniel. Still, it's had to comprehend that a majority of people living in California would vote to write discrimination into the state constitution. Unbelievable. I'm not sure where we go from here, there are far too many questions and no answers yet. But we will not be defeated, we will not give up. We will press on towards full equality.

In the meantime, I'm sad, disappointed and exhausted.

And to hear the other states followed suit makes me even sadder.