The "Church" of Scientology's Anti-Gay views and Human Rights Abuses

[Zerbie]

Originally Posted by tymejumper

I asked my co-worker that same question. He insisted that Ron Hubbert started it to prove there was no God, and then stated that Hubbert was an athiest. I didn't much get what one has to do with another either. I DO have a friend that is Atheist, and when I told her about said comment she was just as confused as we are!

Of course, my co-worker, also believes that you will go to Hell if you don't believe as he does. He about had a heart attack when I told him I didn't believe in Hell!

I never said I worked with Einsteins! Kind of scary that we are medical care workers.

Well, educated people can believe far-out things, too. I do. Just not as far out as some, i guess.

You're right that the first premise has nothing to do with its supposed 'conclusion.' Scientology sounds cultish and unhealthy now, wherever it originally came from. I hope that dangerous cults don't get painted as somehow coming from atheism.

I have so much respect for atheists (considered myself one for a long time). It really bothers me when people act like there is something wrong with that (yeah, tangent, I know. It's been a long weekend and my brain is fried.)

[tdogg]

I'm an advocate of coexistance, and beyond that, respecting each person's spiritual beliefs. Raised in the A of G sect of Christianity, I never believed everything that was told/taught to me. For instance, the drive to get out there and save everyone you can just never made sense. Others' spiritual beliefs that differed than mine, were no less a conviction in them that beliefs were in me. Who is to say what works for me would work across the board for everyone else? Who is to say that what I believed was absolutely the only truth out there?

Then when considering Christianity, one must also consider the numerous sects within that religioun. All believing different things than the next. All believing in different criteria that brings and maintains salvation. Who is the say what is the absolutely correct sect of Chrisianity? In the end, it always seemed to be about fear (and money).

I think there is much an individual can learn from many religions and different faith beliefs. If one believes it's all about the destination (and a destination that there is no proof of existing within any religion), then perhaps choose a belief and stick with it. and at least leave others alone with theirs. But for me, it's about my life's journey, from Point A (birth) to Point B (death). Everything in between is what I expect to be judged on when I finally get to whatever is beyond death, if there is anything at all. If I can take my personal spiritual beliefs, and add to them what I can learn from others, then isn't that going to enrich my journey and get me to a better place when I near the end? I believe it to be true.

So today, while I would say I have spiritual beliefs based in Christianity, I would also have to add that I am accumulating spirituality when I learn from others' beliefs, and really listen in my heart, and that just adds to my spiritual journey.

[Zerbie]

Tdogg has it absolutely right! (Absolutely? Hmm, perhaps only relatively?)

What could possibly grow us faster than learning what is good from anyplace we find it?

[Rick336]

Originally Posted by tdogg

Everything in between is what I expect to be judged on when I finally get to whatever is beyond death, if there is anything at all.

For me, I believe in living as best I can by the values of respect, fairness, equality, honesty, integrity, and compassion. But if I'm judged by these values after I'm dead, it will be by my friends who are still living, not a god that lives in another dimension.

Rick

[PokeAnon]

Anonymous has joined up of people from all religious backrounds, uncluding several people part of an organization known as "Freezone", which still encourages the teachings of Scientology, but believes that the "Church" is far too corrupt, and isn't following the teachings correctly.

If at all possible we'd like to usher in a series of major reforms so CoS becomes more like Freezone is now, however the consensus of most former CoS members (and now critics) is that it must be torn down and started from scratch.

All of us CoS critics are not protesting the good things they do. We protest because they consistently violate human rights, break laws, act with bigoted intents, lie to and exploit its own parishoners, and make dangerous pseudo-scientific claims which have directly led to deaths in the past.

[BishopIoan]

Originally Posted by tymejumper

I believe it is a cult. I heard that Ron Hubbard started it as a bet saying anyone could create a religion and get people to follow it. So he did just that as a proof that there is no God.

Your information is correct,tymejumper. The grandfather of a dear friend of mine was in the bar when the bet was made--her grandfather took Hubbard up on his bet--unfortunately, Hubbard won.

I visited the LA and Pasadena "orgs" and they both had an empty office reserved for Hubbard should ever come back and pay a visit.
What are these people thinking? That he hitched a ride on Hale-Bopp with Heaven's Gate and plans to return? These people are crazy!!

I had a friend who tried to talk me into becoming Scientologist. I read Dianetics and came to the conclusion that if Hubbard wasn't insane, he was a consummate con man.

I'm generally tolerant where religion is concerned, but the "Church" of Scientology needs to be shut down, the sooner the better. Unfortunately, I don't see that happening and tine soon.

[PokeAnon]

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/200...1/18509898.php

"Scientology: Gays and Lesbians should be quarantined and institutionalized"

This is a great article on a horrible subject. I encourage you to take a quick read to understand just how horrible the Scientology view of homosexuality is.

[Daniel]

They really are a queer organization, aren't they? Nothing gay about Scientology.

[Rick336]

Scientology is the antonym of rationality.

Rick

[hippie4lyfe]

i dont get how people believe in scientology but its no more crazy than a lot of other religions.

[PokeAnon]

Far from being the only guilty ones on the list, the Church of Scientology showed its true colors when it came to Prop 8.

http://www.protectmarriage.com/endor...ches-endorsing

"Church of Scientology of San Diego"

[tdogg]

Page is gone. They are too embarrassed and deep down inside protectmarriage.com knows they are wrong and we will not take their discrimination lightly. The list of endorsers has strangely disappeared.

[Rick336]

Originally Posted by PokeAnon

Far from being the only guilty ones on the list, the Church of Scientology showed its true colors when it came to Prop 8.

http://www.protectmarriage.com/endor...ches-endorsing

"Church of Scientology of San Diego"

The Church of Scientology is an example how gullible and desperate people really are. There's little difference between them and the Branch Davidians from Waco in 1993.


Rick

[PokeAnon]

The list of endorsers was taken down shortly after I posted it. Thankfully google cached it and I took a screen shot of it.

http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache...lnk&cd=1&gl=us